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Ok, I admit to a strange fascination with the so-called "Mouse Guns". There's just something about these little, small caliber guns that appeals to me and over the years I've acquired several of them. 

Yeah, I know all the arguments against them. "If the bad guy realizes he's been shot...yadda,yadda,yadda."  However, these small guns do have their place. I think everybody should have a gun for those times when they can't carry a gun. 

The first thing you need to understand is that with these tiny, small caliber pistols is that you have to change tactics. Forget center mass. These guns are meant to be used at bad breath distances. Instead, stick the gun right in the bad guys face and pull the trigger. Several times. If you're lucky, the bullet may enter through an eye socket or sinus cavity and go directly into the brain resulting in immediate incapacitation. However, don't count on it. Instead, while the bad guy is distracted by this sudden pain and blood, you run like Hell!   Remember, the primary purpose of a self defense gun is to save your life. What happens to the bad guy is unimportant as long as you survive. 

.22 vs .25? Personally, I prefer the .25acp. The .22LR may have a slight power advantage, but the .25 is a center fire cartridge. We've all had rimfires that misfired. And frankly, in recent years, misfires with .22s seem to be more and more frequent. The center fire .25 acp is much more reliable.  However, in recent years several very small pistols have emerged in .32 acp caliber. Not long ago I acquired a Beretta 3032 Tomcat. Its pretty much the same size as Beretta's .22 and .25 DA/SA offerings in a better caliber. I'm still working with it, but so far, I've grown to like it. 

Do i recommend a mouse gun as a primary carry? No, of course not. However, there are times when discretion is called for due to dress or social circumstances. That's where these tiny pistols really shine. Then again, they also serve extremely well as a non-intrusive back-up. 

Here's my mouse collection. Sorry, I'm not much of a photographer. 

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Left to right, top to bottom:

1. Raven 25 Auto: don't laugh. While they are the epitome of the cheap, saturday night special, the darn things work and are totally reliable.

2. PSP-25 (now called the PSA-25): An extremely well made licensed copy of the classic Browning Baby. I think it may be better as mine has a much better trigger.

3. Browning Baby: A true classic which many Police Officers carried as a back-up.

4. Colt Model 1908 Vest Pocket: another classic.

5. Beretta 950B Jetfire:  Yet another well known pocket pistol.

6. Beretta 3032 Tomcat: already mentioned 

7. Walther TPH: my only .22 as the .25 versions are extremely rare in this country often costing $1000 or more. 

8. Taurus PT-25: a DAO copy of the Beretta design. 

Well, there you have it. My collection of Mouse Guns. Unlike Mr. Jinks, I love meeces to pieces! 
Show us yours! ​​​​​​​
 
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I agree they have their place. My personal carry gun is a Galesi .25 auto which is small enough that if I am not thinking about it, I don't even know it's in my pocket. And no one could know I am even carrying. If I ever have to use it, it won't be beyond 10 feet, so hitting a vital area is nearly guaranteed. Joe Stalin's personal executioner Vasily Blokhin killed thousands of "enemies of the state" with a .25 Walther (probably shot in the back of the head).
 
My little ones are a Ruger LCP .380 and the Beretta 21a.
I have a 3032 and like it but find it’s a little “fat”
I find that it has a place in a bathroom drawer since it recoils little for my wife, can be kept chambered without the safety engaged with the first shot being double action and it’s stainless.
I never want to get caught with my pants down.
 
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I have a couple. This one was my great-grandfather's,he carried it in a leather glove when he was on the bench. I have shot it, and it works well despite it's age and size.

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If you are concerned that a 25 ACP won't do the job, check out this discussion -

Can the 25 ACP be taken seriously?

I also have a 351c which is chambered in 22 Mag. It is so light, it kind of feels like a kids cap gun.

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I mostly carry it with CCI shot capsules for snakes, but I am pretty certain that the CCI Maxi Mag Hollowpoint would do the trick on larger vermin and two legged snakes ;)
 

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I only got one, I think.
But I Love that Walther TPH! Send it to me and I’ll send you 5 Lottery Tickets which will give multiple opportunities to win millions!
You can buy up every 25 on the planet!
As I have posted, my Beretta flip up barrel affection probably comes from it being the first handgun I ever fired.
Out in the hills where I’m from not many folks had handguns.
 

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I posted this one before. It's a cheap little Fabrique de Armes de Guerre .25 acp that belonged to my dad's late Uncle Vern, a less-than-scrupulous attorney who got disbarred for bribing a jury. Uncle Vern was also rumored to be a frequent visitor to local brothels, supposedly to consult with clients.:o

Anyway, he gave this gun to my dad in the late 1930's with the admonition, "Don't ever shoot anybody with this. You'll liable to make them awful mad.":)

Oh, if this little gun could talk, just imagine the stories it could tell.:D
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When I find myself in a situation where I need to pack a "mouse gun," this is the one I pack...a Ruger LCP in .380. Much more accurate and reliable than Uncle Vern's old gun.
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I had no use for the puny things for a long time... but things change... I tried a friends little Phoenix 22... was a hoot you can hit an 8 inch plate at 25 yard with it... got one for myself... and my son... then little 380's... Taurus & Ruger.. then a little Beretta 21a in 22lr with crimson trace grips... took the grips off... no point in them in my opinion... last one was a Kahr in 9mm... maybe not a mouse... but pretty small...
 
They definitely have their place. Been after a pocket .380 for a while now for those times when I can legally carry a gun but "can't." I had planned on using some of my stimulus money to get one. Even went so far as to buy some .380 ammo in anticipation. But the one I was after was nowhere to be found locally and a few relatively higher-priced ones online (I was hoping to handle one before buying). Then unforeseen financial issues hit, and I'm now stuck with ammo I can't shoot. Typical. *sigh*

However, a pocket .380 will be my next gun purchase. If I can save up the money. And find one. *fingers crossed*
 
They definitely have their place. Been after a pocket .380 for a while now for those times when I can legally carry a gun but "can't." I had planned on using some of my stimulus money to get one. Even went so far as to buy some .380 ammo in anticipation. But the one I was after was nowhere to be found locally and a few relatively higher-priced ones online (I was hoping to handle one before buying). Then unforeseen financial issues hit, and I'm now stuck with ammo I can't shoot. Typical. *sigh*

However, a pocket .380 will be my next gun purchase. If I can save up the money. And find one. *fingers crossed*

Have you decided which one? There are many options on the market.
 
Have you decided which one? There are many options on the market.

Beretta Pico is at the top of my list. Only place I could find any was on GB. Local and online retailers were out. Now I just have to wait to save up the money and hope I don't hit a snag in the process. *fingers crossed*
 
I love the little shooters. I got a bunch of .25 ammo for next to nothing when Wally World was clearing out their pistol ammo, so I’ve been burning it up in my FN 1906.
 

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I have a bunch of them or "herd" not gonna post pictures. The cream of the crop is the SeeCamp ins 32 acp. The holy grail is the trifecta 22lr, 32 acp and 380 auto. The 380 is just not pleasant to shoot.


The best one I had was the NAA Guardian boat anchor. The frame was made by Kahr. DA only I modified the trigger. so it shot nice. Just too darn heavy in the pocket.


Carried a KT 32 and 380 for a while before Ruger made a better one. Still carry the LCP. The others are in the safe. Colt Baby Browning Fn. A revolver is not a mouse gun.


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Beretta Pico is at the top of my list. Only place I could find any was on GB. Local and online retailers were out. Now I just have to wait to save up the money and hope I don't hit a snag in the process. *fingers crossed*


I had a Pico. just could not warm up to it. Got rid of it. BUT I see know that the upgraded it.
https://www.beretta.com/en-us/pico/




Heck my Kahr PM 9 fits my pocket just a tad larger than a LCP.


Hard to beat the LCP. It goes everywhere and is shootable;)
 
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Mine are
1) Bauer Bros stainless copy of the Baby Browning 25acp
2) S&W M63-3 22lr
3) Iver Johnnson TP22lr
4) Iver Johnnson TP25acp
5) Taurus TCP380acp

As a primary the Taurus is the only one that ever gets the nod.
For deep cover BUG I like the Bauer 25 best, but for shooting my first choice is the Iver Johnson TP25 - though it is basically the same size as an LCP or the TCP380 so it is for range fun only.
 
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Got a .25 Colt Vest Pocket in .25 acp, a .32 FN 1910, a PPK in .32, a PPK in .380, and a PPK/S in .380. The FN and the Colt are 100 years old and shoot just fine.

Some complain that the PPK and /S .380s have sharp recoil, and they kinda do, but not uncomfortably so. I've read that the Rugers (LCP?) in .380 are uncomfortable to shoot, but I've never fired one. They're tiny guns, good for carry, not so good at the range.

I had a Kel-Tec .32, was a pretty good little gun, but a friend liked it better than I did.
 
My two .25 autos. I got the Colt to show with the .25 auto holsters I’ve collected over the years, this is probably 1/2 of them. I shoot the Colt now and then and have put it in my pocket now and then. I’ve been thinking about getting one of the new Ruger LCP .22 autos.
I’ve heard that some German officers in WW II carried .25’s to commit suicide with. I’ve also heard the report about Stalin’s elimination specialist.
Regards,
turnerriver
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