U.S. CARBINE CAL. 30 M1 - Underwood Elliott Fisher Company

Grayfox · Mar 11, 2021

Ok, don't shoot!

I've been called some really nasty names for this. But here's the M1 Carbine updated for the 21st Century.

fordson · Mar 12, 2021

^^^^^
If that’s a USGI original Carbine, then you deserve those “nasty names”.

Muley Gil · Mar 12, 2021

fordson said:
^^^^^
If that’s a USGI original Carbine, then you deserve those “nasty names”.

Even if it is a GI M1 carbine, it is all reversible.

CLASSIC12 · Mar 12, 2021

RCL-09 said:
From the pictures it looks to be in original as issued condition.

The trigger housing is of the stamped variety used in the 1944 Underwood rifles. There should be an ordinance bomb stamp on the bottom of the trigger guard, if it is an original Underwood there will be a "U" stamped somewhere on the housing.

The push button safety, mag release, barrel band/swivel are correct for that gun for that time. Rear sight is correct and should have an "S" or "NPM" stamped on the left side.

The data indicates that the gun should have a round bolt but the flat top bolt could correct as the switch came between 1943 and 1944. So an early 44 production could have the flat bolt. It should be marked with a stamped "U" or "WU".

The stock is correct and the stamp G.H.D. over the U.E.F., and the handguard looks to be correct also.

Overall it would seem to me that you have an original, as issued, non modified M1 carbine. That is to say, a very, very rare piece. As such it would command a premium here in the U.S. The reworked/modified Underwood sells for around $1,500 and up. Your rifle, if I am correct in my evaluation would probably easily fetch $2,000 or more.

Congratulations on a very rare and unique piece of history.

Thank you for all the details you provided.

A few more closeup pictures

RCL-09 · Mar 12, 2021

Your front and rear sight are original as they exhibit the right stampings "EU" and the "U" are correct for the Underwood. The ordinance stamp on the trigger guard is also correct.

Depending upon how comfortable you are with a disassembly you can check most all parts for their stamp. The "U" will probably be the most common, but other markings are "P-U", "M-U", "WU", "DW", plus many others.

The stock, in the sling cutout, should have a "M-U", "P-U", "LWU", "J" or "TRIMBLE/TN".

I have never personally seen an all original Carbine that was untouched and did not have some arsenal rework.

Mike SC Hunter · Mar 12, 2021

Grayfox said:
Ok, don't shoot!
I've been called some really nasty names for this. But here's the M1 Carbine updated for the 21st Century.

DON"T LIKE

Mike SC Hunter · Mar 12, 2021

Mike said:
I can play. My Underwood-Elliot-Fisher, high wood marked Bavarian Forestry police. Which was a lend to German Police after the war for police work. Each area that received carbines marked them. Purchased from CMP way back when. Note lack of bayonet lug.

Somewhere around the digs are a Quality Hardware and an IBM.......From the glory days at the CMP in Anniston, AL.

waffles · Mar 12, 2021

Grayfox said:
Ok, don't shoot!
I've been called some really nasty names for this. But here's the M1 Carbine updated for the 21st Century.

The stock is monstrous but dots on the ultimak rails rock pretty hard on the carbines.

CLASSIC12 · Mar 12, 2021

RCL-09 said:
Your front and rear sight are original as they exhibit the right stampings "EU" and the "U" are correct for the Underwood. The ordinance stamp on the trigger guard is also correct.

Depending upon how comfortable you are with a disassembly you can check most all parts for their stamp. The "U" will probably be the most common, but other markings are "P-U", "M-U", "WU", "DW", plus many others.

The stock, in the sling cutout, should have a "M-U", "P-U", "LWU", "J" or "TRIMBLE/TN".

I have never personally seen an all original Carbine that was untouched and did not have some arsenal rework.

I have not disassembled the M1 yet, but I’m generally comfortable disassembling any firearms, I have a good workbench and plenty of good tools. I’ll take more pictures when I do it.

Muley Gil · Mar 12, 2021

RCL-09 said:
Your front and rear sight are original as they exhibit the right stampings "EU" and the "U" are correct for the Underwood. The ordinance stamp on the trigger guard is also correct.

Depending upon how comfortable you are with a disassembly you can check most all parts for their stamp. The "U" will probably be the most common, but other markings are "P-U", "M-U", "WU", "DW", plus many others.

The stock, in the sling cutout, should have a "M-U", "P-U", "LWU", "J" or "TRIMBLE/TN".

I have never personally seen an all original Carbine that was untouched and did not have some arsenal rework.

Since this carbine was built in 1944 and the OP bought it in Switzerland, I think there's a fair chance it never made it back to a US arsenal.

RCL-09 · Mar 12, 2021

CLASSIC12 said:
I have not disassembled the M1 yet, but I’m generally comfortable disassembling any firearms, I have a good workbench and plenty of good tools. I’ll take more pictures when I do it.

I'm looking forward to it.

RCL-09 · Mar 12, 2021

Muley Gil said:
Since this carbine was built in 1944 and the OP bought it in Switzerland, I think there's a fair chance it never made it back to a US arsenal.

I agree, that stayed in Europe in as issued condition.

stansdds · Mar 13, 2021

Grayfox said:
Ok, don't shoot!
I've been called some really nasty names for this. But here's the M1 Carbine updated for the 21st Century.

I'm not going to call you any really nasty names because that would serve no useful purpose. If you "updated" an Iver Johnson or Auto Ordnance carbine, then no harm has actually been done and those would be good upgrades. If you did that to an all-original, WW II issue carbine, I would simple turn pale and pass out.

Mike SC Hunter · Mar 13, 2021

To the OP. How many forums are you going to post your carbine on? I see your post on 3 other forums.

Muley Gil · Mar 13, 2021

Mike said:
To the OP. How many forums are you going to post your carbine on? I see your post on 3 other forums.

Why does it matter? I belong to the Ruger, the Colt and several other forums. If I have something that is of interest to other firearms enthusiasts, I post it where I like.

CLASSIC12 · Mar 13, 2021

Mike said:
To the OP. How many forums are you going to post your carbine on? I see your post on 3 other forums.

Then you missed a few.

Does it matter ? Different forum have different people, not everyone follows multiple forums.

And you have the option to ignore said posts.

Grayfox · Mar 13, 2021

Ya know, my "updated" carbine sometimes gets wisecracks or snide remarks, but never outright hatred.
For those who got bent over my updated Carbine: yes it is a WW II Standard products rifle. However, due to a cracked gas cylinder, it now has a 1970s replacement barrel. So it ain't all original.
I still have the original stock, handguard, etc and could have it back in original condition in 30 minutes.
Besides, I also have an Inland that's just like Uncle Sam issued.
Admit it, you've seen much worse done to other classic firearms and a lot of that was irreversible.
This thing is a hoot to shoot. If you don't like it, tuff. I do and that's all that matters.

Mike SC Hunter · Mar 13, 2021

CLASSIC12 said:
Then you missed a few.

Does it matter ? Different forum have different people, not everyone follows multiple forums.

And you have the option to ignore said posts.

At Myrtle beach you can hire a plane to pull your post(banner) up and down the beach if you want to.

Sistema1927 · Mar 14, 2021

I f I owned that Carbine I would be bragging about it every day and everywhere.

Darkenfast · Mar 14, 2021

There are those who like to denigrate the M1 Carbine and its cartridge. I think they miss a very important point: It was a far superior self-defense tool for many applications than a 1911A1 pistol. Think about it: You take your average WW2 GI and hand him a handgun. Has he been trained how to use it? Probably not. Will he be able to hit anything with it past point shooting distance? Probably not and he has a good chance of missing at that distance as well. Hand him an M1 Carbine. The sight picture is just like the one on the Garand or later 1903s. He already knows how to hit with those. Now he has a light, handy weapon that he is much more likely to get hits with.

The handgun was invaluable for certain situations, but for most, the Carbine was far superior. In a way, it solved the problem that the various pistols with stocks were trying to fix (think FN High Powers w/stocks).

My two cents. Wonderful acquisition, Classic12!

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