Springfield Armory Pistols

Narragansett · Jun 22, 2021

So I have had it in the back of my mind that I want a 1911 pistol. I know I posted about Springfield pistols a short while back, but I have another question.

In looking at the different models this morning, I came across the TRP model, that says " Proudly made in Illinois". Red flag here. Is that to suggest that their other products are made in some other country?

So the direct question, is where are Springfield armory pistols made?

Jimmy4570 · Jun 22, 2021

I know some of their frames and slides were forged in Brazil years ago. Not sure about now but regardless, they make great base guns and are very economical primary pieces. Pretty sure all assembly and fitting take place in Geneseo.

oysterer · Jun 22, 2021

Pete,

I handled the custom shop guns at the last shot show and was impressed but they are costly. Probably proudly fitted and assembled here.

For the regular production guns I would choose the one that says Dan Wesson on the frame.

Greyman50 · Jun 22, 2021

Not sure of the gun show situation where you are but check them out for OLDER Colt series 70’s. Bought a 03 mfg Colt Govt. Mdl, new in box few weeks ago, then at show this past week there were quite many OLDER series 70’s, kind of wish had waited.

Muss Muggins · Jun 22, 2021

Narragansett said:
So I have had it in the back of my mind that I want a 1911 pistol. I know I posted about Springfield pistols a short while back, but I have another question.

In looking at the different models this morning, I came across the TRP model, that says " Proudly made in Illinois". Red flag here. Is that to suggest that their other products are made in some other country?

So the direct question, is where are Springfield armory pistols made?

They're made in Geneseo, Illinois. The company just announced a major expansion of facilities a couple months ago . . .

PPS1980 · Jun 22, 2021

All a huge surprise to me as all their weapons were made overseas for years. Their XD series is manufactured by HS Produkt in Karlovac, Croatia. Given their behavior a couple of years ago throwing local FLLs and other companies under the bus in ILL I refuse to own any of their products. But, (was about to type 'its a free country') I respect each person's right to choose for themselves.

UncleEd · Jun 22, 2021

Springfield recently discontinued
its Range Officer which was a lot
of gun for the buck.

Currently it is featuring the new
Ronin, fixed sights, and according
to the company forged frames and
slides in this country so I assume
Geneseo, IL.

The Ronin is carbon slide, stainless
frame. All the markings seem to be
laser etched, very small and clean,
leaving a very uncfluttered look.

I believe all new 1911 models are made in
USA,.

oysterer · Jun 22, 2021

UncleEd said:
Ronin

handling a few of these Ronins I thought it actually does takes extra effort to purposely make a 1911 with a trigger that bad. Fitment and smoothness or lack thereof slide to frame: Ruger SR is even better than that.

tt66 · Jun 22, 2021

My EDC is a Ronin .45acp. It is stamped Geneseo IL.

I really like the Springfield Armory 1911's. I have a Range Officer Elite in 9mm that is a sweet pistol. I prefer the Ronin in that it has the 4.25" barrel w a standard bushing, the Range Officers are 4" bushing less barrels. I really can't tell a difference in shooting them, just when it comes time to take it down for cleaning. For years I carried a steel frame Micro Compact .45acp as my EDC, now I seem to carry a commander size most of the time.

I agree that the Dan Wesson is a much nicer 1911, but it is a good bit higher priced. I have a Valkyrie Commander in .45acp and it is one of my favorites, but it cost nearly twice as much as a Range Officer.

Tim

Sevens · Jun 22, 2021

One thing that annoys a lot of gun folks is that Springfield Armory has been using a commercial motto for a while now that touts “Springfield Armory, America’s Oldest Gunmaker” which is quite the misleading boast.

Narragansett · Jun 22, 2021

Sevens said:
One thing that annoys a lot of gun folks is that Springfield Armory has been using a commercial motto for a while now that touts “Springfield Armory, America’s Oldest Gunmaker” which is quite the misleading boast.

That is why I am asking the question

jjfitch · Jun 22, 2021

NM delete!

Look for serial numbers that start with NM, assembled in the US!

The several that I've seen with the NM deleted were terrible in terms of fitting key parts like barrel and trigger group assemblies!

This is the reason S/A "fan boys" rave about their warranty service!

The thee S/A's I have are perfect in terms of fit finish and down range performance. But they have had a little custom work.

Smiles,

Sevens · Jun 22, 2021

Narragansett said:
That is why I am asking the question

Springfield Armory as we know it set up (I think!) in the 1980’s, while they refer to the “America’s Oldest Gunmaker” being the historic government arsenal, Springfield Armory of which they are not, nor have they ever been affiliated.

The frames of their 1911 pistols were for many years forged by Imbel (Brazil, I believe) but as stated above, the NM-prefix pistols were fitted and built in the USA on these Imbel frames.

I am fortunate in that I own a Springfield Custom pistol that dates back to 1991, when the Custom Shop was fairly new (less than 10 years) and it was none other than Les Baer who was brought in to make Springfield Armory a player in the IPSC and USPSA circles. They also got in on the ground floor of the career of then young phenom Rob Leatham who continues to shoot for them and should certainly be regarded as one of the finest pistol shooters and most decorated competitors ever.

Faulkner · Jun 22, 2021

Seems I read an article some years back in one of the gun magazines that when Bill Wilson of Wilson Combat was starting out he primarily used Springfield, Inc., 1911's as the base to build up his custom 1911's. All of those would have been from Brazil.

I have a Springfield "Fully Loaded" 1911A1 I bought new around 2000 that is marked from Brazil and it's a great shooting firearm.

444 Magnum · Jun 22, 2021

Springfield Armory Inc. was estabilished in 1974. Many firearms makers have gone overseas to avoid consumer/victims(?) lawsuits, cheaper labor, less taxes. It's the world we live in. I dislike some of it, but still wouldn't want to live anywhere else. I shoot XD's and love them. Reliable and accurate.

LVSteve · Jun 22, 2021

PPS1980 said:
All a huge surprise to me as all their weapons were made overseas for years. Their XD series is manufactured by HS Produkt in Karlovac, Croatia. Given their behavior a couple of years ago throwing local FLLs and other companies under the bus in ILL I refuse to own any of their products. But, (was about to type 'its a free country') I respect each person's right to choose for themselves.

The XD is actually a Croatian design. It was originally called the HS2000.

How did Springfield throw Illinois FFLs under the bus? I must of missed that one.

glenwolde · Jun 22, 2021

Google "Springfield Firearms Boycott" for the backstory.

.357magger · Jun 22, 2021

glenwolde said:
Google "Springfield Firearms Boycott" for the backstory.

Yep.

I love 1911s, currently own more than a few, and have owned a lot more in the past.

But I don't buy SA anymore after the issue with the IL laws.

Just my $.02, I'll admit I was tempted with their newer 10mms but...no sale.

Farmer17 · Jun 22, 2021

Springfield has had very good reputation for a long time, I don't think you can go wrong whichever product you buy. I have a SA Milspec .45 because I love the look and romance of the classic GI issue gun and it's very accurate and well made with a nice trigger and it was under 500 bucks a few years ago.

LVSteve · Jun 22, 2021

glenwolde said:
Google "Springfield Firearms Boycott" for the backstory.

OK, so I've read a few articles and I came away with:

1) The IFMA were assumed by many to be speaking for Springfield.

2) When the Springfield management got their act together to really examine the bill, they told the IFMA and the legislature, "Guess again".

The only problem I see is that everyone jumped on point one and assumed that everything that followed was Springfield was back pedaling. Could it be that Springfield's corporate intel setup dropped the ball and didn't really know what was going on? Seems likely to me.

Does no-one in the US understand that CEOs of major companies are not "all knowing", and never will be. It's like when everybody jumped on the head of BP over Deepwater Horizon. Did they think he had the rig pressure readings on his desk and said, "Oh, that'll be OK". Of course he didn't, but America had to find its scapecoat

. It strikes me that the alternative view that man is not in control at all times (guess what, we ain't) is a big problem for the psyche of many in our country. All I can say to those of that mindset is to seek professional help.

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