PERMANENTLY LOSING? Not likely. Panic is irrational. One way or another steel cased ammo will continue to be available. Where there’s a market there’s going to be someone somewhere willing to meet that demand. As said above steel cased ammo is made in other places beside Russia. And of course nothing is permanent in our system of policy makers.
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Russian Ammo BANNED
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I think it was mentioned earlier, but a couple of weeks or so ago, I took delivery of a case of Tula 7.62 x39 for $350 plus tax.
Now, the same site does not have any steel-cased stuff at all and the brass-cased is more than double what I paid for the Tula
Now, the same site does not have any steel-cased stuff at all and the brass-cased is more than double what I paid for the Tula
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I *JUST* saw that last night on some website for 700, and Wolf 223 Steel was less at 685! I came across it by accident.
Where are all the guys who said everything was getting back to normal... Yeah, meet the new normal.
Just looking at the inflation numbers, if the stocks of ammo came back to pre pandemic levels, it would be a lot higher.
The "Good ole days" are gone, folks!
DWalt
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Don't forget the possible effect of the Russian embargo on primers. The lack of Russian ammo will put pressure on other sources to increase ammo production. I have understood that one of the principal reasons for the current squeeze on primers is that the domestic ammo manufacturers are using up most of their primer manufacturing capacity for in-house ammunitiion production. So when the Russian ammo supply goes away, it will probably increase domestic ammo production, and, at least in the short run, there may be little excess production capacity to make primers for reloaders.
ggibson511960
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Tariff and import bans are a crude, blunt instrument. The ammo ban is but a pin prick. Consider our enlightened State and Commerce Departments sanctioning and facilitating purchase of Russian RD-180 rocket engines since 1998. How many hundreds of million of $'s did this drain from the U.S. economy, let alone leave NASA and the Air Force without a U.S. made launch vehicle engine?? Not to worry. Pratt & Witney Rocketdyne owned 50% of the venture that made and sold the RD-180's to NASA and the Air Force. Follow the money. Doesn't the bureaucracy protect us from conflicts of interest and corruption like this? Sorry moderators. Too political. I respectfully retract. I'm glad the State Department caught the murdering Russians that tried to poison Novichok even if they did reveal source intelligence to do so.
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ostlund
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Titanium. A very important material in aircraft manufacture.
DWalt
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And quite a few rare earths of high strategic importance. We get even more of those from China.
kbm6893
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I’ve been calling BS almost since day one of this drought that ammo manufactures are ramping up production and running 24/7. Ammo is nowhere to be found near me, in anywhere near the abundance it was before they “ramped up production”. My local shop gets drips and drabs of shipment in. First time gun buyers aren’t the problem anymore. That wave has passed. There are no more lines outside Gunshops and gun inventory looks pretty stable, at least near me. First time buyers have bought their box or two of ammo and the guns and the ammo are sitting in drawers.
As for ammo makers choosing not to step into the void that will be left from the Russian ban, so they can keep their prices high and sell everything they can, I guess they can do that. I only hope gun owners remember that if this drought ever passes. What a scumbag move that would be from an industry that has been supported by the very customers they seek to screw over. I have probably 3500 rounds of centerfire ammo loaded and the ability to make maybe 5000 more. I’m bringing my shooting to almost a halt until things stabilize. I might have to make what I have last for many years.
They can put out all the videos they want on YouTube showing pallets of ammo getting ready to ship. Almost none of it is getting to NE PA. A friend of mine has a son in the police academy and they can’t even get enough ammo to train recruits. Qualifications have dropped to half the amount of rounds normally fired. Nobody is admitting that but it is definitely happening.
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Good Lord. This is a S&W forum. SCANDIUM!!!!!!!
max503
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Did some scrounging at the range today. Never really noticed all the metal casings, both on the ground and in the trash cans.
People are going to be hurtin' without access to cheap Russian ammo. It will further affect our sport. (And you all thought the Covid Drought was coming to an end.)
People are going to be hurtin' without access to cheap Russian ammo. It will further affect our sport. (And you all thought the Covid Drought was coming to an end.)
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cmj8591
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Hurry! Cash in your kids college fund and buy steel case, Russian ammo. We're never going to be able to get it again in our life times!
Can anyone tell me, accurately, not some internet blog nonsense, how much ammo sold in the US is actually MADE in Russia? I know that the stuff that comes in a Wolf box is made all over the planet, not just in Russia. I'm guessing that the others do the same thing and source their ammo from wherever they can get it the cheapest. The other thing is that this isn't going to have an effect for two years. This whole thing is just political eyewash! The only shortages and price increases that take place are the ones we are going to create ourselves. This isn't like the interruption in the supply chain we are going through where things are actually not available. This is just a change in where the stuff comes from. It might be as simple as printing "Made in Poland" on the box. This is Tula having to ship their ammo to the Philippines where it gets packaged up and shipped to the US. Calm down! The people who sell this stuff are not going to let this put them out of business.
Can anyone tell me, accurately, not some internet blog nonsense, how much ammo sold in the US is actually MADE in Russia? I know that the stuff that comes in a Wolf box is made all over the planet, not just in Russia. I'm guessing that the others do the same thing and source their ammo from wherever they can get it the cheapest. The other thing is that this isn't going to have an effect for two years. This whole thing is just political eyewash! The only shortages and price increases that take place are the ones we are going to create ourselves. This isn't like the interruption in the supply chain we are going through where things are actually not available. This is just a change in where the stuff comes from. It might be as simple as printing "Made in Poland" on the box. This is Tula having to ship their ammo to the Philippines where it gets packaged up and shipped to the US. Calm down! The people who sell this stuff are not going to let this put them out of business.
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Here, this is from Gun Digest last week. But you go right ahead and keep up the positive attitude!
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The effects of this ban will not only be felt by AK-aficionados and frugal shooters who only buy steel-cased, even those who only buy premium, brass-cased ammo will likely begin to see prices rise. This is because Russian-made ammo comprised 30-40% of all ammunition purchased in the United States, and its cost was always low enough to force other brands to stay competitive. By pulling the rug out from under the U.S. ammo market, other manufacturers will have less incentive to keep prices low. Unfortunately, it is likely true that no other nation can produce as much ammunition as cheaply as Russia was able to, as no other nation has the pre-existing infrastructure to produce at the same scale. When it still existed, the Soviet Union was the largest country in the world with one of the strongest and largest militaries. With so much of the USSR’s economy centered around arms production both for themselves as well as for export to friendly nations, it is only logical that they would have invested a great deal into domestic ammunition production. Modern-day Russia inherited this production capability and it remains unmatched by any other nation on Earth. It is because of this that Russia was able to provide, for so much of the American ammo market, and keep prices so low. I fear that no amount of increased production volume from Turkey, Romania, Ukraine or the Czech Republic will ever be able to completely fill the void being left by Russia’s disappearance from the market. I hope that I’m wrong about this, but I’m not holding my breath. We will likely never see any ammo as cheap as it was before the Covid panic and these most recent sanctions.
Well, I'm going to get rid of all my guns, and just keep my ammo stash as an investment. 
Just kidding, I don't see guns as an investment.
Just kidding, I don't see guns as an investment.
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Well, true enough, but before they started using Scandium, they did use Titanium.....
Here's a couple models of note:
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cmj8591
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Vladimir, is that you?
I don't know about the veracity of Gun Digest when it comes to world economics but I find it hard to believe that 40% of the ammo sold in the US is made in Russia. That seems like hyperbole to me. For what it's worth, most of the ammo produced by Wolf comes from outside Russia. Most of Red Army Standard is produced in Bosnia and Poland. Barnaul is still mostly produced in Russia but I don't see them producing anywhere near 40% of the US consumption. Perception is reality but reality is not always perception.
Thin Man
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Wellll.... listen to this podcast with Charlie Brown, owner of MKS Supply, one of (if not the) largest importers of Russian ammunition in the United States: GUNS Magazine BANNED: Russian Ammo | GMP #95 - GUNS Magazine .
In it he states that Russian ammunition currently makes up 35% of all ammunition sold in the US.
Or perhaps you don't believe him, either.
Whatever. Your choice.
I know for a fact that at the gun shop I work in, steel case ammo sales make up 35% of all ammo sales for us easily.
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what does Charlie Brown know about ammo? He should be out kicking footballs with Linus, and gun digest is just a communist anti gun rag.
Can you give me another cutsie little quote too?
Here. This is just for you!!
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