1911 "shock buffer" systems....

I’ve got one in my 1911 parts box. Aftermarket spring plunger recoil spring guide. Adds another spring to the recoil system when the recoil spring collapses all the way. I don’t know where I got mine but it doesn’t really do anything. I do like full length guide rods and flat recoil springs in my 1911s.
 
Recoil reducers and shock buffers were all the rage back in the 80's and 90's when I was competing in USPSA matches. The rubber shock buffers require frequent replacement, reduce the amount the slide can travel during recoil, and have the potential to tie up a pistol. I would not use them in a defensive pistol. I would use them in old 1911's, those made before WW II, and they may have a benefit in 1911's chambered in 10mm Auto.
 
Buick, That's a forerunner of the shock buff. It was invented by Irv Stone of Bar Sto, but the originals were all stainless like other Bar Sto ideas. They haven't been around for a long time. The one you have is not a Bar Sto but is some sort of a copy.
 
Some years ago I picked up a used Colt Combat Government Model that had a lot of rounds through it. Apparently the recoil spring had never been changed and the recoil spring guide peened the frame to the point it now requires a nylon shock buffer to restore normal slide travel.
 
I've used the dual and triple spring 1911 systems. Was involved in the design of one in fact. They are eclipsed by quality chrome silicon conventional springs, of the proper weight rate for the load being run. When they are two full coils shorter than new it's time to replace with a new quality one.
 
I've used the dual and triple spring 1911 systems. Was involved in the design of one in fact. They are eclipsed by quality chrome silicon conventional springs, of the proper weight rate for the load being run. When they are two full coils shorter than new it's time to replace with a new quality one.

Got so many springs of different lengths in my spares it is not funny. Years ago we cut spring down to match different loads. Not even sure what the proper length is anymore.
 
Got so many springs of different lengths in my spares it is not funny. Years ago we cut spring down to match different loads. Not even sure what the proper length is anymore.

You may be able to find a spring chart somewhere. Proper one for a given gun (say a 5" Gov't) is a certain number of coils, to a certain length and of a specific wire diameter. You can determine the poundage rating of a given spring with that data. That's assuming your springs in your spares collection are new. There are a couple nifty spring tester gadgets out there too; somewhat uncommon though.
 
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As for 1911 springs, I've also had so many at times I didn't know what was what. I solved that problem some years ago by using a 16 lb. spring for all loads in all guns without mishap, but my guns are all standard ones with 5" barrels.
 
Unless you plan on modifying your 1911 to shoot a more powerful cartridge like .45 Super or .460 Rowland, then there's no tangible reason to have a shock buffer in your 1911.

As long as it's properly maintained, the 1911 will outlast you and generations to come shooting Standard Pressure .45 ACP.
 
Like others, I used them back in the 1980s-1990s when competing in USPSA and shooting 500+ rds of .45ACP a week.
I was never sure whether they "helped" or not. They would split after a while and need to be replaced, but I cleaned my pistol often and kept a close check on them.
 
I think the best buffer I used during my competition days was the CP Tuff Buff buffer. Those buffers were made from some sort of nylon and lasted a lot longer than the common black rubber buffers sold by just about everyone. They were also more expensive than anyone else's, but given their durability, the long term cost was probably the same if not better.
 
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Has anyone ever seen or used this type of buffer? I pulled this out of a Union Switch and Signal 1911a1.

I had one of those in one of my guns years ago. Never really noticed a difference. Left it in the pistol when I sold it. Didn't miss it at all. Not military, aftermarket I do believe.
 
I don’t object to a shock buffer in a full sized 1911, as it has enough excess slide over run that it won’t affect reliability and it can allow a standard weight spring in cases where a heavier spring would otherwise be needed - with the downsides that come with a heavier spring.

That however is not the case with a commander or officer sized frame. In a commander a shock buffer will shorten the slide over run to the point where it can start to cause reliability issues, and in an officer frame 1911 it reduces the slide over run to basically nothing.

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Proper selection of the recoil spring, and replacement when they wear out, are far more important to being with, and a shock buffer should be considered only after those factors are addressed.

It’s important to remember there is no free lunch. It’s popular to install an extra strength recoil spring, but unless you are shooting truly heavy +P loads it’s going to do more harm than good. When it is not needed to prevent the slide from battering the frame in recoil, there is no benefit to it. Worse, that heavier weight spring will increase the velocity of the slide then it goes back into battery and that will also batter the frame, and do it in an area that was never designed for a heavier spring.

You want a spring that is just heavy enough to prevent the slide from rebounding off the frame (which is caused by excessive slide velocity in recoil and also results in excessive slide velocity going back into battery). That rebound will produce a sharper metallic feel to the recoil. If you have that, you either need a new recoil spring or a stronger one (and try the new one first, they can wear out in as little as 800 rounds).

That metallic impact with excessive recoil velocity and a standard weight spring is where the shock buffers originally came into play. The shock buffer prevented the rebound and battering without putting excessive stress on the locking system when the slide comes back into battery.

If the shock buffer wasn’t enough with the standard weight spring it became evident when you got that metallic feel again in 100 or so rounds when the slide quickly ate it’s way through the shock buffer. If the buffer is getting torn up, then you need to go a pound or two higher on the spring weight.

In short, while they are not as prevalent as they used to be, they are still a potential benefit on a full length 1911 and are a good second step (after replacing the original spring with a new factory weight spring) before going to a heavier recoil spring, which should only be done if you are still getting slide rebound.
 
As long as it's properly maintained, the 1911 will outlast you and generations to come shooting Standard Pressure .45 ACP.

This just ain't the truth at all!

I've worn out quite few 1911 guns of various manufacture. Not to mention lots of pepper poppers and Chapman Hi-Rides. No gun will withstand decades of 30,000 rounds per year. And no, I do not shoot high-power loads. My mags were filled with 200 grain SWC lead with just enough Unique to qualify for major.

If you don't know what this means, it means you don't realize what half a century of IPSC will do to the hardest of steel.
 
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As long as it's properly maintained, the 1911 will outlast you and generations to come shooting Standard Pressure .45 ACP.

This just ain't the truth at all!

I've worn out quite few 1911 guns of various manufacture. Not to mention lots of pepper poppers and Chapman Hi-Rides. No gun will withstand decades of 30,000 rounds per year. And no, I do not shoot high-power loads. My mags were filled with 200 grain SWC lead with just enough Unique to qualify for major.

If you don't know what this means, it means you don't realize what half a century of IPSC will do to the hardest of steel.


Before the M1911A1's were retired some were found to be cracking in the frames. Had friends working NDI at the Metal Shop and the armorers were bringing all the M1911A1on station over for magnafluxing. The cracked one were cut up and their parts put in the spares bins.

When they were officially retired the Navy & Marine M1911A1's were sent to NSWC Crane, Ind. There they had hired 50 extra gunsmiths to check and rebuild all the pistols. Those that failed were destroyed. The pistols that passed testing were reparked & rebuilt and stored in deep storage "War Stores".


Shot IPSC for quite a while. Usually rebuilt my pistol at least every two years. Sometimes more often. Tightened slides replaced springs, and sometimes the barrels (usually they last longer due to me shooting cast lead all the time). I shot 185 grain cast SWC's with 3.5 grains of Bullseye. Still have a Chapman Hi-Ride.
 
I understand the concerns about reliability. Many years ago I bought a half dozen of the Brand X black buffers at a gun show for a few bucks. And then I found a couple of them had crumbled into pieces in guns that were in storage for a few years and not been shot. The remainder of the unused ones crumbled into bits with my bare fingers.

I only use Wilson Combat buffers in my Colt Lightweight Commander. And that is after I thin them to about 0.090" by rubbing on a sheet of sandpaper. Without thinning them, they restrict the slide travel just enough that I can't slingshot the slide with the magazine out and have the slide stop drop down and release the slide. That tells me they are too thick for reliability. But they are probably still thick enough to be effective.
 

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