Smith & Wesson CSX?

That was the gun I was looking for when I got my Firestar Plus 30 years ago.
Called my LGS, they have some on order, I get the first one they receive.

Got my CSX, needed a holster, looked in the holster box and found the Don Hume Firestar holster I retired when I stopped carrying the Stars (after they closed).
... and it fits like it was made for it. Guess my prior statement was more true than I knew!

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I got to fondle one a little bit a couple of weeks ago just before another customer bought it.
I kind of liked it.
It is a little smaller than I expected.
 
Every review I have seen references the 1911 style operation. It’s a SAO pistol with a thumb safety. Of course it’s going to be compared to a 1911.

A hair wider to make it DA/SA would be welcome. The CS9 wasn't that wide.

It also uses a single stack magazine.
 
A second CSX came into the FFL and I bought it. I've put about 100 rounds through it and I really like it. The trigger is a little heavy for a single action, but seems to be smoothing up. I think it will continue to improve with use. It's accurate, reliable and definitely a smaller profile than my Shield Plus.
 
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Late to this party.
Saw the title and expected a new gun for the CSX railroad police.
Maybe CSX will see the name and order some. Or sue for trademark violation.
Cant sue for the same name as S&W is not a railroad company. Years ago my Dad ran a candy/juice company for the Fisher brothers. The company was called Fisher Brothers Inc. The labels said FBI Foods. Sure enough my Dad got a letter from the FBI telling them to stop using the name FBI. He politely told them to FO, because they made foods, & were not a LE entity. He never heard from the FBI again. GARY.
 
Cant sue for the same name as S&W is not a railroad company. Years ago my Dad ran a candy/juice company for the Fisher brothers. The company was called Fisher Brothers Inc. The labels said FBI Foods. Sure enough my Dad got a letter from the FBI telling them to stop using the name FBI. He politely told them to FO, because they made foods, & were not a LE entity. He never heard from the FBI again. GARY.

When I was an agent in Louisiana the big garbage removal company was called BFI. I went to a place in Hammond to interview a business owner once. I showed my ID to the front desk girl who went to get the boss. He took a long time to show up and when he finally did he swallowed his gum when I showed him my ID. He said: Helen, you told me it was the BFI man!!
 
I bought a CSX this past weekend. Took it to the range on Tuesday and put 125 rounds through it with no malfunctions what-so-ever (I know that should be expected, but the last 4 pistols I purchased new, 2 Rugers, another Smith, and a Steyr ALL had more than one malfunction the first time out). The gun felt snappy, but that is to be expected out of such a small 9mm. The trigger was a bit heavy, but I'm betting it settles in at around 5.5lbs once all broken in. I'm good with that. The 12 round mag allows better purchase and that helps to absorb recoil a bit more, so I'll order a couple more 12 rounders when they become available. The only thing I really didn't like is that the texturing on the grip is very rough. Maybe that will wear in a bit too over time. Overall, I think the CSX is a winner. Now, IF this new 30 Super Carry cartridge takes off, I'd like to see a CSX in that chambering. Two more rounds, right?
 
Smith & Wesson CSX?

Picked up a Smith & Wesson CSX on Friday and finally got it to the range today to try it out.

Here’s my list of pros and cons:

Pros
- 100% reliable. Ran about 200 rounds through it. Five different brands of factory ammo, and three different handloads. 3 different kinds of hollow points. It ran 100% with zero hiccups or malfunctions.
-Trigger. Some of the online reviewers and YouTube reviews I’ve seen were critical of the trigger. I strongly disagree. The trigger is amazing. Light and crisp. Best trigger I’ve ever handled on a gun designed primarily for concealed carry.
- Ergos. For a micro nine the grip is pretty large and very comfortable. The texture on the grip is perfect. Recoil wasn’t too snappy for a gun this size and weight.
- Sights. I like the three dot combat sights for carry guns, and it shot to point of aim. Sights are large and easy to acquire.
- Safety. The safety is positive and perfectly positioned to ride the safety when shooting like a 1911. I love that you can cycle the slide without having to disengage the safety. Makes for very safe unholstering and unloading when putting it away after carrying it.
- Capacity is awesome obviously.
- I like that the manual says it is specifically rated for +P ammo.
- I don’t like to carry striker fired pistols because of how the slide usually extends at least an inch past the back of the grip. My preference for carry is to keep the back of the grip about even with my belt line. So that little to none of the gun is above the belt line. Striker fired guns usually have an inch of slide that extends past the back of the grip, which makes my style of carry more difficult. So I gravitate toward hammer fired guns like this.

Cons
- Slide bite. I have very large meaty hands and I hold my guns very high into the beaver tail. After 200 rounds of mostly really hot ammo, I definitely had some slide bite going on. Probably wouldn’t happen to most shooters. But I wouldn’t recommend this gun for long range sessions.
-Accuracy. Accuracy was poor. After shooting a few groups and not seeing the groups I’m used to, I set up a rest and sat down and shot two 20 round groups with two different kinds of ammo. I’m an experienced competition shooter capable of 2 inch groups at 25 yards with the right handgun. However, the best I could manage with the CSX was about 5 inches at 15 yards from a rest. That’s pretty bad accuracy. Probably sufficient for any carry gun, but it’s certainly not a tack driver.


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Picked up a Smith & Wesson CSX on Friday and finally got it to the range today to try it out.


-Accuracy. Accuracy was poor. After shooting a few groups and not seeing the groups I’m used to, I set up a rest and sat down and shot two 20 round groups with two different kinds of ammo. I’m an experienced competition shooter capable of 2 inch groups at 25 yards with the right handgun. However, the best I could manage with the CSX was about 5 inches at 15 yards from a rest. That’s pretty bad accuracy. Probably sufficient for any carry gun, but it’s certainly not a tack driver.


Yikes! That's a deal breaker right there. I'll keep an eye out and see if others report the same.
 
Picked up a Smith & Wesson CSX on Friday and finally got it to the range today to try it out.

Here’s my list of pros and cons:

Pros
- 100% reliable. Ran about 200 rounds through it. Five different brands of factory ammo, and three different handloads. 3 different kinds of hollow points. It ran 100% with zero hiccups or malfunctions.
-Trigger. Some of the online reviewers and YouTube reviews I’ve seen were critical of the trigger. I strongly disagree. The trigger is amazing. Light and crisp. Best trigger I’ve ever handled on a gun designed primarily for concealed carry.
- Ergos. For a micro nine the grip is pretty large and very comfortable. The texture on the grip is perfect. Recoil wasn’t too snappy for a gun this size and weight.
- Sights. I like the three dot combat sights for carry guns, and it shot to point of aim. Sights are large and easy to acquire.
- Safety. The safety is positive and perfectly positioned to ride the safety when shooting like a 1911. I love that you can cycle the slide without having to disengage the safety. Makes for very safe unholstering and unloading when putting it away after carrying it.
- Capacity is awesome obviously.
- I like that the manual says it is specifically rated for +P ammo.
- I don’t like to carry striker fired pistols because of how the slide usually extends at least an inch past the back of the grip. My preference for carry is to keep the back of the grip about even with my belt line. So that little to none of the gun is above the belt line. Striker fired guns usually have an inch of slide that extends past the back of the grip, which makes my style of carry more difficult. So I gravitate toward hammer fired guns like this.

Cons
- Slide bite. I have very large meaty hands and I hold my guns very high into the beaver tail. After 200 rounds of mostly really hot ammo, I definitely had some slide bite going on. Probably wouldn’t happen to most shooters. But I wouldn’t recommend this gun for long range sessions.
-Accuracy. Accuracy was poor. After shooting a few groups and not seeing the groups I’m used to, I set up a rest and sat down and shot two 20 round groups with two different kinds of ammo. I’m an experienced competition shooter capable of 2 inch groups at 25 yards with the right handgun. However, the best I could manage with the CSX was about 5 inches at 15 yards from a rest. That’s pretty bad accuracy. Probably sufficient for any carry gun, but it’s certainly not a tack driver.


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Great review! And I agree with pretty much everything you said. I also had to adjust my grip to a slightly lower position, but that was fine. Once adjusted, the grip was comfortable except for the rough texture. Accuracy was an issue for me to a degree as well, but in all honesty, I have noticed that at 57 y.o., my eyesight is not great anymore, and my ability to focus intently isn't as sharp as it used to be. I also don't shoot nearly as much as I used to. If I am in the 8 ring at 10 yards with a micro compact 9mm, without too much time between shots, I am ok with that. The CSX delivered that for me.
 
I handled a CSX at a local gun shop today. The first thing which surprised me was the small size of the gun but with the small magazine I was still able to get most of my little finger on the grip. As I pulled the trigger I got a clicking sound before the hammer would fall. It was the trigger safety. This could be avoided by placing my trigger finger at the bottom of the trigger essentially against the guard. I estimated the weight at nine pounds, the owner had a scale and two tries netted a weight of seven pounds. Acceptable I guess for a new personal defense pistol. The far to the rear safety pivot didn't bother me. The barrel ramp was smooth though not polished. Not sure that I would buy it but it seemed well made. S&W will sell a ton of them to folks who can't abide a striker fired pistol.
 
I'm retired from 34 years in LE, where I was a firearms instructor for 30 years and at the end head of the firearms training unit. Started with revolvers, ended with Glocks, and plenty of S&Ws and SIG in between. Been shooting SAO pistols, amongst others, for about 45 years, have competed internationally with the 1911, and other guns. Been to many armorer schools, including three S&W schools. Along with other business, I work one day a week at a busy LGS. So I see a lot of new and old guns, and what customers buy.

I applaud S&W for trying something new. But based on the what the gunsumer market wants, what S&W already has in their catalogue, where the economy is going, and the actual practicality of this CSX for what it intends... S&W would have been better off making a double-stack Bodyguard 380 and/or better quality revolvers. Sorry to pour cold water in the middle of winter.

One of these CSX came into the LGS 3 weeks ago, and I examined it shortly after. Unlike most new gun introductions, the intertube shills have not had an overflow of reviews on it with actual shooting results. Interesting that these whores could not produce an inflated review, while a lowly LGS already as one on the shelf.

Today, that same CSX is still sitting in the display case. And this shop has a solid contingent of customers with money that must-buy whatever the new gun-of-the-month is, as soon as it hits the market. They've all seen it, and all passed.

For starters, the gunsumer market for what I would call the "visible hammer all-metal SAO pistol" is a shrinking subset, and getting smaller all the time. You need a magnifying glass to see it, in relation to what else is actually selling. The big 100 year 1911 anniversary rush started fading about 5 years ago. Most new handgun buyers don't even consider a 1911. While PolyNines rotate out in a few days, these "visible hammer all-metal SAO" guns sit for 6 months to a year, or more. They have turned into a novelty gun for the mature handgun enthusiast. He or she is more likely drop large coin on a SIG Legion or Python than a SAO pistol of any flavor. If they do, it's a safe queen. The sub-genre of micro SAO pistols - SIG, Kimber, Springfield - have an even more extremely small niche audience. The LGS has one tray designated for these micro SAOs, and they are the slowest movers in the whole place. Shop doesn't even take them anymore when distributors offer... except the CSX was a new entry.

The LE market is very large, not only for duty guns but also off-duty guns. The CSX is not making any headway there either. Most large departments and many small ones have a list of authorized off-duty guns, and a SAO pistol is about as likely to get on that list as Aunt Jemima is in making it back on the box of her pancake mix.

Then how about the merits of the pistol for the niche enthusiast? Some people will buy this because they have the skins laying around and are must-buy types, or hate polymer guns, or whatever reason and like to pop off inflated-priced ammo at the range with new a toy. And there's nothing the least bit wrong about that.

But in terms of a concealed-carry defense piece, the CSX offers no advantages over existing guns in the market - including S&W's own products - and actually is inferior to other guns in some ways. Compare this to the better-quality small 9mm guns on the market; for example, the SIG P365, Springfield Hellcat, M&P Shield variations, Glock 43/43X/26. In varying ways, the CSX comes up short in terms of both fast close-range use, and intermediate range performance. How so? It's not right for a pocket (unless it's a German Sausage style pocket); the thumb safety is at simultaneously too small, not positive enough, and the ambi-ridiculous gets in the way of firing; the grip while comfortable in the hand is awkward to get a clean draw with; fully loaded it carries heavy and chunky; the trigger is atrocious for accuracy work; and while I haven't it fired it, those who have fired their CSX report the accuracy is lackluster at even 50 feet.

There are plenty of guns with mediocre to poor accuracy on the market these days. Why buy this one for 6 Large after tax?

I realize the Capacity Craze - which is fueled by industry shills in order to sell new guns - adversely influences the gunsumer. They are largely ignorant of how non-LE shootings actually occur, getting their info from ad copy or sandbox commandos. Six rounds in a magazine as enough, went to 10, then to 11, then to 13, then 15... until the micro pistols weigh and size nearly the same as the larger guns they meant to replace (which are also easier to shoot accurately). Go figure.

BTW, these are the same shills selling micro red dots on micro guns that they test at 21 feet, and with which the gunsumer cannot generally shoot with any degree of competence past 15 feet. But this influencer advice requires the purchase of a new gun plus extra profit red dot! On the other hand, ammo and range time with dedicated practice is expensive and time consuming and potentially frustrating. Why not buy the smallest gun with largest number of rounds and a red dot - instant success!

Sorry, I'm a bit jaded. I teach shooting, so see a lot of misinformation, bad habits and internet-induced delusions amongst clients. After gentle correction and practice, they advise that their friends ask how he/she is now shooting so much better than they are. Rant off.

When customers come into the store, and are shown the various pistols, they don't pick these micro SAOs. Putting personal preference aside, pick any of the other guns mentioned and they are better choice objectively for concealed carry than the CSX. And I say this as a 1911 shooter. When circumstances require a small 9mm pistol, the CSX would be a last choice. As far as being novel and interesting, I suppose it has some value.

Which leads to the last point. While the CSX was undoubtedly a while in the making, the economy at the moment is not in the recovery mode it was last year. Inflation is eroding wages and causing other disposable money to be spent chasing luxuries like gasoline, food, heating oil, and shoes for your children. China Virus is still a thing and regardless of politics, even a mild illness is disruptive both personally and across the economy. Uncertainty breeds hesitation to part with hard money for anything which is not clearly needed.

And when you put the CSX thumb safety in the fire position and the right side of the frame cutout looks like the factory forgot to cover up the pins and levers underneath, you may sigh, "If only....."
 
S&W would have been better off making a double-stack Bodyguard 380 and/or better quality revolvers.


Better quality revolvers! I recently purchased a new 3" 686+ and, in the age of covid, you can tell they are just slopping them together. The side plate fitment on the gun is the worst I've ever seen. The action feels like a box of rocks. It's a train wreck and is going to take a lot of work to get up to speed.

I checked the CSX yesterday at the local store and the trigger was HEAVY. Somewhat gritty. Both conditions will probably get better with use but sure seems like they could spend an extra 15 minutes and clean it up before shipping it out the door. For $600, they really should.
 
I just picked up my CSX from my FFL. I immedietly threw the trigger pull gauge on it when I got home and it's a hair under 5lbs. Everything else is solid and the thumb safeties have a very positive click. I should have it at the range either this week or the next.
 
After reading other comments here regarding accuracy of the CSX, I went out today and put another 100 rounds through it at varying ranges out to 50 yds, but primarily at 15 yds and under. I found that I had to hold high to hit my desired POA. I also noted that I had a hard time getting any kind of reasonable group. My first outing with it was largely about function and I used a number of different mixes of ammo, so I really didn't get a good read on overall accuracy. I will give it another try to ensure that the problem is with the pistol and not me, although I did bench-rest it today. If it turns out to be a problem, it will be going away.
 
That’s too bad about a potential accuracy problem.

Its a deal killer for me, but based on what I see every week at the indoor range I doubt it will hurt sales much.

Its only a 20 yard range, but my target is usually the only one at that distance. Sometimes an AR or AK shooter will briefly sail a target down there, but most of the pistol targets screech to a halt at 3 or 5 yards. Even there they are pretty safe.
 
Cover to kill hold or higher than that? What do you consider a reasonable group at 15 yards?

Not cover to kill, but about 2" above desired POI. As a retired LEO of 37 years, with about 30 years as a range master/firearms instructor, I've had occasion to do a lot of shooting with a lot of guns. For me, reasonable accuracy for groups at 15 yards is under 2". I had several shots at and over 4" bench rested.
 
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