ancient-one
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Has anyone shot any of it and if so what is your opinion?
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Winchester 1152 Active Duty Flat Nose 9mm
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Fired some in 2019 in Baghdad - it was not terribly different in feel or function than M882 rounds. It cuts a nicer hole in paper targets.
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DWalt
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Opinion regarding what? It is simply just another FMJ-bulleted 9mm cartridge with a slightly higher MV. I doubt its effectiveness and lethality are much, if any, different from the military M882 round it is replacing.
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ancient-one
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Opinion as to whether the hotter load would damage or quickly cause wear on guns that it was used in.
Rlg#17
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Not impressed with it at all. I traded half a case of it for some nato ball that I was using for an optic pistol course with an Air Force PJ. I doubt it would accelerate damage or quickly cause wear. Seriously not any hotter then the nato ball I was using.
The kid was HOT. Shooting a Gen 5, 19 with an optic on it. He won the coin in the class for being the “top gun!” I ordered several of those pistols after shooting his, and now its my daily. The GLOCKS chewed those loads, like a hot knife thru butter. They seem to like the +P+ rounds even better.
Holosun scs that co-witnesses, nothing faster to shoot being made.
Regards, Rick Gibbs
The kid was HOT. Shooting a Gen 5, 19 with an optic on it. He won the coin in the class for being the “top gun!” I ordered several of those pistols after shooting his, and now its my daily. The GLOCKS chewed those loads, like a hot knife thru butter. They seem to like the +P+ rounds even better.
Holosun scs that co-witnesses, nothing faster to shoot being made.
Regards, Rick Gibbs
I have not tried it, but it seems that all of those who have chronographed it show the M1152 round as having velocity that exceeds standard pressure and +P 115 grain ammo. Velocity is actually on par with Federal's old 9BPLE load, which was a 115 grain JHP driven at +P+ pressure.
We used M9A1s from a decade before, and they ate it just fine with no signs of accelerated wear.
shil
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How many rounds of that stuff will they fire before breaking? We're talking 39,000+ psi. Be kind to your guns.
No clue - they weren't my pistols. They were old enough that most of the coated mags had very little coating left. Nearly all were malfunction-free.
Hotter loads will always cause more wear. To what extent? Apparently not enough to concern the military. What guns are you looking to shoot the rounds in?
DWalt
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Many USAF training and qualification M9s have had well north of 100K rounds put through them without damage or failure. I have previously related my story of once purposely trying to destroy an old M9, which was unsuccessful. M9s are extremely durable.
I would believe that Winchester fps and pressures are listed, to advise the buyer
that is ammo a +P round or a little higher in pressures.
Here is what I found on this ammo, a few years back.
Most Military pistols are suitable for this type ammo, is yours ?
The famous Federal 9BPLE 115 +P+ out of a Glock 19 4" does 1236fps
a 5" does 1328fps.
that is ammo a +P round or a little higher in pressures.
Here is what I found on this ammo, a few years back.
Most Military pistols are suitable for this type ammo, is yours ?
The famous Federal 9BPLE 115 +P+ out of a Glock 19 4" does 1236fps
a 5" does 1328fps.
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I think with this round we're seeing progress in chemical engineering. Higher velocity but with controlled pressure, not sudden spikes.
As far as accelerated wear, most everyone here is forgetting the military, unlike those of us buying our guns out of pocket, has a whole classification of people called armorer who specifically maintain and service weapons. They inspect and repair them ALL THE TIME. That's what they do.
Now as far as how effective it is, most people who have chrono'd it say it's within 25-50 fps of advertised. I'd guess just as effective and maybe a little more then 124 gr NATO ball.
As far as accelerated wear, most everyone here is forgetting the military, unlike those of us buying our guns out of pocket, has a whole classification of people called armorer who specifically maintain and service weapons. They inspect and repair them ALL THE TIME. That's what they do.
Now as far as how effective it is, most people who have chrono'd it say it's within 25-50 fps of advertised. I'd guess just as effective and maybe a little more then 124 gr NATO ball.
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I picked up a couple thousand rounds at Academy Sports before the pandemic. Shot it up through Glocks without incident. Like someone said above, it cuts nice clean holes in paper. Otherwise I consider it just plain old range ball ammo for a Glock. If it was that much hotter than most stuff I did not detect it, but I never ran any across my chrono.
