9mm carbines

Years ago I had a Marlin Camp 9 carbine and it was a great little firearm and I liked that it used my series 59 S&W magazines that I already owned.
I should have never traded it away for the next shinny object that I now can't even remember what it was.
I have built a 16" AR15 9MM upper that uses the ENDOMAG P-Mag conversion magazines and I have had zero problems with it.
I also have paid for and await the new S&W FPC and to be honest I wouldn't have bought it more than likely but I ended up with $300 dollars worth of Cabelas gift cards and had $150 in club card points so I will be in it $120 dollars.
I also bought a LE Trade in M&P 40 a few years ago and had bought a 9mm barrel and picked up several 9mm LE Trade in magazines that will work in the new S&W FPC.
I do worry about the folding system on this new carbine but I feel I will not be folding it up very often so it should last for me.

PS--After reading all of the comments I forgot that I do have a 38/357 Rossi lever action and it is very fun. I just use 38 special in it because of the cost.
 
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Had Beretta CX-4s for 20 some years......
Pairs nicely with my Beretta 92s...15,18,20 and 30rd factory & Mec-gar mags.
29" OAL w/ 16" barrel; IIRC 5.5lbs

Why 9mm ?.... why did the SEALS and others use the MP5. Israel the UZI.

Fast 2/3 shot taps...... fast fist size 5rd groups at 50 yds

and fun at the range or urban SHTF
 
CAJUNLAWYER said:
I think te Henry ...can use my M&P mags in it.
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I've only handled one, so far. I was pleased with the looks, feel and features. Honest Outlaw couldn't get through his review of one which came with Henry's own magazine system. Sootch00's came set-up for Glock, and his example seemed to run well.

Krogen said:
...CMMG Resolute ...has an interesting delayed blowback action that's worth reading about. Works fine, but sooty cases are an odd attribute. The same loads in conventional pistol actions don't show this effect. .
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Fluting inside the chamber allows for for a longer, firmer grip on the brass as it expands. That provides for a longer dwell-time before extraction, which softens the recoil impulse. Most popularly known on HK products.

Bald1 said:
When I decided I wanted a 9mm carbine I had to have the original PC9. I held out for one with factory ghost ring sight. I think they look great and lots of fun.
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They also shoot softer than the newer carbine does. The only downer is being limited to Ruger P-series mags.

Tom K said:
I have.. the KelTec for its compact size and lightness, and the folding feature is kinda neato.
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NOT for use in SouthPaw mode...but...M-Carbo makes an accessory brass/gas deflector if you need it. They are quite fun to shoot, and mine was pretty darned accurate, as these things go.

rwsmith said:
...CX Storm makes a nice one but it's pricier.
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A fantastic option, also. Looks that you either love/hate, and limited to Beretta 92 mags. I somewhat regret selling mine.
 
Mike said:
357 mag performance? Nope. Put that 357 in a rifle like your 9mm. And all it will do is suck dust from the 357.
But heck......You guys enjoy your toys!!
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Read my post carefully. I clearly stated a 9mm carbine has .357 Mag *revolver* performance.

I own a Model 92 20” short rifle and Model 92 24” rifle and I am well aware of the .357 rifle velocities. Mine will launch a 125 gr bullet at a bit over 2200 fps and a 158 gr bullet at 1840 fps.

But none of that changes the fact that 9mm carbine performance is better than 9mm pistol performance and on part with .357 revolver performance, particularly when loaded with comparatively slower powders like HS-6 or Power Pistol.
 
Mike said:
Why a long gun in the wienie 9mm cartridge? Range fun gun? Target practice?
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Mike,
9mm being a "wienie cartridge" is your opinion. I respectfully disagree with you. 10-15 years ago, I would have agreed with that comment but, not anymore.

I have a pistol caliber carbine (PCC) in an AR platform, I personally think a PCC or SBR (where legal) are the ultimate home defense guns.

have a blessed day.
 
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Own kel-tec, hi-point, sig mpx and Ruger in 9mm.

The hi-point is surprisingly accurate and reliable. Just be careful disassembling it, lots of pieces. Sights are cheesy but functional.

Keltec is handy, cheesy but functional sights, simpler to field strip, accurate, simple to fold/unfold stock and has huge advantage of taking glock mags.

Ruger is accurate, built like a tank but heavier and has huge advantage of glock mags.

The mpx is in another class entirely (you pay for this) and gas operated for minimal recoil.

Awhile ago started planning ahead for "aging out", specifically giving consideration to easier to operate pw's for when i will not be as proficient with a pistol. 9mm from a carbine barrel satisfies this.

Have never seen or tried the Henry, but after buying one of their lever 44 mags, am unlikely to buy anything else from them without close inspection of the barrel interior, if at all. Yes they fixed it, but rifle should have never left the factory.

Have also vested in short pistol caliber levers, but none feed the 9mm and have gotten expensive to buy and feed.
 
Plenty of people have been laid low by the 9MMP-and the 380, 32ACP, 38 S&W, etc. I was a long time reader of Charlie Askins, never recall him writing about the caliber wars, he, Jim Cirillo, plenty of others were pretty deadly with the 38 Special. Only the hits count. Speed and power are fine but accuracy is final.
 
double-dipper said:
Mike,
9mm being a "wienie cartridge" is your opinion. I respectfully disagree with you. 10-15 years ago, I would have agreed with that comment but, not anymore.

I have a pistol caliber carbine (PCC) in an AR platform, I personally think a PCC or SBR (where legal) are the ultimate home defense guns.

have a blessed day.
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Agreed. 9mm hollow point designs have significantly improved. I used to a be a .45 ACP caliber snob but when 9mm hollow point performance evolved, I had to admit to the fact that I could make A zone hits with a 9mm 1911 pistol in the same time it took to make just 2 A zone hits with a .45 ACP 1911 pistol.

Add in the high capacity options, the sub compact options, and the carbine, braced pistol/SBR options available in 9mm. When you combine all that with lower practice ammo costs, it’s pretty hard to listen to people talking smack about 9mm and not roll your eyes.


I’ve don’t ballistic gel tests with my preferred load and 124 gr Sig V-Crown hollow points. So far it’s the only bullet I have found that will reliably expand over the 1000 fps to 1350 fps velocity range between my sub compact 3.1” Kimber Micro 9, a 4” Kimber, representing pretty much any 4” compact sized pistol, and an 8.9” MP5 *and* consistently penetrate at all three velocities.

Both the handguns give me penetration right around 17-18” and the MP5 comes in shorter at 14-15”. The major difference is in the amount of expansion, but the low velocity expansion is still ample and in excess of the FBI requirement.

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The ability to get reliable expansion and acceptable penetration over that velocity range from three different classes of weapons is impressive.

If I could find a suitable .45 ACP PDW, I strongly suspect I’d be hard pressed to find a load that would do the same from a 3” sub compact pistol to a 8.9” SMG class firearm.
 
double-dipper said:
Mike,
9mm being a "wienie cartridge" is your opinion. I respectfully disagree with you. 10-15 years ago, I would have agreed with that comment but, not anymore.

I have a pistol caliber carbine (PCC) in an AR platform, I personally think a PCC or SBR (where legal) are the ultimate home defense guns.

have a blessed day.
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I agree with you about the utility of a 9mm carbine as a personal defense weapon.

Despite a certain leader who at one point advocated a double barrel shotgun (and stupidly/criminally enough suggested shooting it through the door) I see a lot more utility in the braced pistols he is trying to force to be registered as NFA items, at least in 9mm. In addition to .357 Magnum revolver class terminal ballistics, you also have significantly reduced noise levels compared to the 155-156 dB levels of a 4” 9mm pistol due to the longer barrel and reduced gas pressure when it exits.
 
Speaking of Weenie Guns, love my Ruger 10-22.
My ideal 9 Thriller-meter Weenie Carbine would look like a slightly enlarged 10-22.
Not getting that, the available Ruger Carbines seem to be the ‘sweet spot.’
 
I opted for the Fox Trot FM9, PCC for competition. One of the more popular 9's seen at IDPA PCC division is the JP carbines. Due to cost, I opted to look at a lower price point option which the FM-9 filled. Uses Glock mags and was designed around the magazine. Has a couple of nice features like last round hold-open and a left side charging handle which are nice competition features.

I am sure this could double as a home defense weapon as well albeit an evil black rifle.
 
VictorLouis said:
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Originally Posted by Tom K

I have.. the KelTec for its compact size and lightness, and the folding feature is kinda neato.
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NOT for use in SouthPaw mode...but...M-Carbo makes an accessory brass/gas deflector if you need it. They are quite fun to shoot, and mine was pretty darned accurate, as these things go.
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I'm left eye dominant so I shoot long guns left handed. As I have it set up with the 45 degree red dot mount, it actually works pretty well left handed. Canting the gun 45 degrees to the right points the ejection port downward, away from my face. It's not at all uncomfortable or unnatural to hold it that way, just different. Bonus for reloaders - the brass falls more at your feet rather than being flung away.

I also have the stock adjusted for maximum length of pull and a Missouri Tactical recoil pad added, which moves the ejection port even further away from my face. The recoil pad is designed specifically for the Sub2000 so it just snaps right on, and is notched at the top so that it doesn't interfere with folding the gun.

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Our Sig MPX has been excellent for PCC competition and just fun times. Wife moved up rather quickly to a JP GMR-15 soon afterwards. I added some excellent upgrades to the MPX too. It's in the for sale section as it sits lonely in the safe now lol.
 

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Hello. I also have a Sub2000 and it is my most fun rifle. Agreed on the front sight BUT neon yellow paint on the post helped me a lot. I dont think the rear sight is even necessary, I plan to experiment with removing it. Super accurate. I have had the DB9 as a "emergency tire changing gun" for years and have not had a problem with it. Accurate and dependable for what it is.
 
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