Any love for the KelTec Sub 2000?

I think they are neat, shot one with the rubber slip on butt pad ("recoil" would be an exaggeration) and stock tube cushion and it works well. Much easier to make accurate shots than with a handgun and the magazine interchangeability with the M & P, Glock, etc. is a plus.

Not a heavy duty gun but I think a bargain at current prices (saw one for $299 after rebate).
 
I love mine. It's a Glock 9mm and fun to shoot. Bought it for fun. Had a guy walk up to me at a gun show who had one. He asked if I knew how to fold it and handed it to me with a magazine in it and the action closed.
After making sure the mag and gun was empty, I showed him a couple of times. I thought, how much does a Glock 9mm cost? Never regretted buying it, but it is not one of my go-to guns. It comes along once or twice a year maybe.
 
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I have had one for a few years and have shot about 500 rounds. No hickups. Very accurate and fun to shoot. I keep it in a backpack in the trunk. I have the multi mag version and use the S&W mags.
I did some of the MCargo upgrades to add metal parts. And a cheek pad and buffer. Spent about $100 bucks, but only paid $300 for it.
 

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alwslate said:
I have a Ruger standard model 9mm carbine, bought for a very reasonable price on sale from Rural King. It's a bit heavy, seems to be very high quality and a little overbuilt for the 9mm round. Stock is very strong synthetic, not cheap plastic. It should last a couple of lifetimes. A best buy among 9mm PCCs in my opinion.
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I researched the snot out of the KelTec, Smith and Ruger. I went with the Ruger. Got the one with the magpul Backpacker stock. I did NOT want this gun with anything buy open sights and the RUger OTB fit the bill.

The Keltec was exactly why I expected it to be. I did like it but what put it out of the runnning was the issue of lining up the sights. I had to use an incredibly hard cheek weld to line up the sights to the point of being uncomfortable. Problem could not be solved. Kel Tec out.
As far as the Smith, it was CLOSE between it and the Ruger. for the Smoth to meet my standards, I would have to getn an extension picatinny rail so I could mount the rear sight close enough to be useable and would have to mount another rail for the front sight. The rails and sights would have added an additional $125. But I really liked the pistol grip of the Smoth as well as the magazine interchangeability with my M&P.
I bought the RUger because I had $800 burning a hole in my pocket that I won at a poker game, otherwist I would still be dithering about what to buy. I still like the Smith with the modifications set forth above, and hell, If I win again I just might pull the trigger on the Smith.
As it is now, the Ruger is a remarkable stout little gin and the sights work for me.
 
My friend had a KelTec Sub 9. It was like the 2000, but all metal.

When the broker came to buy his/her collection, that was one of a few she held on to.
 
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I had one for a number of years, but as a lefty shooter I could never mitigate the hot powder blowing back into my face.
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M-carbo makes a mod for that, but in the end...mine was re-homed.
After the both new/old Rugers, and various AR-pattern PCC's...I setteled
on the Extar9. The ONLY thing I feel it needs is a set of bone-stock AR15 fire-control parts. The OEM parts are plastic, and I've seen an example where they'd worn and caused doubling. Not good....

Obviously, we're now in a brace-less environ. So, you have to be willing to settle for a cheekweld on the extension tube. However, the recoil impulse is so light, this is actually workable.
 
CAJUNLAWYER said:
I researched the snot out of the KelTec, Smith and Ruger. I went with the Ruger. Got the one with the magpul Backpacker stock. I did NOT want this gun with anything buy open sights and the RUger OTB fit the bill.

The Keltec was exactly why I expected it to be. I did like it but what put it out of the runnning was the issue of lining up the sights. I had to use an incredibly hard cheek weld to line up the sights to the point of being uncomfortable. Problem could not be solved. Kel Tec out.
As far as the Smith, it was CLOSE between it and the Ruger. for the Smoth to meet my standards, I would have to getn an extension picatinny rail so I could mount the rear sight close enough to be useable and would have to mount another rail for the front sight. The rails and sights would have added an additional $125. But I really liked the pistol grip of the Smoth as well as the magazine interchangeability with my M&P.
I bought the RUger because I had $800 burning a hole in my pocket that I won at a poker game, otherwist I would still be dithering about what to buy. I still like the Smith with the modifications set forth above, and hell, If I win again I just might pull the trigger on the Smith.
As it is now, the Ruger is a remarkable stout little gin and the sights work for me.
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I opted for the standard model for $559.00 on sale at Rural King :) . I also wanted to use iron sights only on this compact carbine and the Ruger comes with quality steel sights mounted on the barrel. Came with an adapter for Glock magazines at no extra charge. I have several Glock mags and any double stack 9mm mags will work including the 10 rd model 26 mag if you like a compact rifle. The Ruger is made to last out of high quality material. Rifle magazine #323, 7-2022, read what Brian Pearce had to say about the Ruger in his review. Convinced me to buy one :)
 
Compact , reliable, but not very accurate for a carbine. Mine has not been shot in years. Every time I think of selling it, I know I won't get much out of it and that I will probably regret it so for now she stays.
 
I have been a longtime Sub 2k owner myself. Echo the many mostly negative comments of others… It is a gun that is a mix of great engineering with lousy performance when used. However, it certainly has sold well.

Two biggest gripes:
(1)The blowback is uncomfortable in the best of times, but come winter time, the cold buffer tube is miserable. Truly a Florida gun.
(2) I have a Glock 17 magazine model with a magazine catch that bumbles magazine lock-in fairly regularly. It takes a hammer strike to the base of the magazine to lock in. While disassembling and fiddling with the mag catch might fix this, I changed my mind when I looked at the exploded diagram of the trigger and grip.

We are blessed to have the great variety of firearms, cars and other options we enjoy in the the USA. My recommendation to scratch the carbine itch is the FM-9 or similar AR pattern carbine, which are nearly as small/svelte, have way better ergonomics and cost only slightly more than the $300 you will likely pour into a Sub2k to make usable.
 
Pardon me.....

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crc4 said:
Since the S&W FPC arrived the price for a new Keltec has fallen by 100-200. The plastic trigger group of the Keltec isn't popular and aftermarket parts to semi-improve it make the price of an improved Keltech close to an FPC.

Considering the price of a FPC and it being a major step-up from the Keltec in several critical ways, Keltec's popularity has seriously declined.
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...but what exactly is an FPC???:confused:

Update: Ah, got it. S&Ws model carbine. Does it stand for Full Sized Pistol Carbine?

PS: And you are right, the FTP has a VERY good price compared to the Kel Tec. Kel tec could maybe breath more life into theirs if they made it more rugged.
 
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I tried to like the Sub 2000, and went to buy it but, but when I held it, it exuded cheap and went back on the store rack. As mentioned you can add aftermarket features, but that brings it up to the price of its sturdier out of box competitors. Do yourself a favor and comparison shop. As always, your money your choice. I know some serious shooters and LEO's who have them for portable emergency back up guns, and tell me that a carbine is better than a pistol. Not part of any SWAT or SEAL teams, a J frame does that for me.
 
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I went the S&W FPC route. Mine has ran 100%. I've got mag interchangeability with my Compact 9mm 2.0 Pistol. And it folds with my optic attached & has 2 extras mags in the stock if I want. It also fits in a nice travel backpack with my lap top.

It makes a great road trip gun (where legal).
 
Sub 2000 in 40 S&W with M&P magazines... Mine is very accurate and has been 100% reliable. Fun at the range.

With a SIG Romeo5 mounted it still is compact enough to fit folded in a leather briefcase or one of my smaller rectangular (as in AR pistol) cases.

The combination of the longer barrel and my 40 S&W reloads makes for a powerful defensive combination at 25-50 yards or so: anything shorter than that there would have to be multiple threats before I would feel underguned.

Cheers!

P.S. Don't know if the current rebate extends to the 40 S&W models, but for around $300 these in 9mm (I'd go with the GLOCK mag option) are a bargain, IMHO. I have the Ruger (scoped) in 9mm and it is a totally different application for me.
 
I own quality wrenches, pliers, and screwdrivers . . . but I keep a few cheaper ones around because, well, I use them for different things and keep them in different places. I've always thought it a good idea to have what I need when and where I need it.
 
wow pertinent. My friend from Md called about one yesterday. Asking for my feelings. I just told him got plenty ammo? He said a full kitty litter pail full. Told him they would need it. Talked to him today...He and his wife wore out 300 rounds. He said his wife likes it and that is who he bought it for...for a home protection piece. Not my cuppa tea...not my money either. Probably a fun gun though
 
Have a 9mm and a 40. Inexpensive, reliable, accurate and fold up small. They are not comfortable to shoot, and would not spend much modifying one into what it isn't.

And they both take Glock mags. Good legal, inexpensive, and compact travel guns that can use same ammo supply as accompanying pistol.
 
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