Pisgah
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There is no comparison. Model 27 = creampuff; Model 29 = "WHAT THE...?!?!?!"
Really, if you have to ask, you don't need one...
Really, if you have to ask, you don't need one...
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44mag (mod 29) vs 357 mag (mod 27,28) recoil
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gwpercle
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If you don't like the recoil of a 44 magnum in a Ruger SBH ...
You sre Not going to like the recoil of a 44 magnum in a S&W model 29 .
I've shot both , extensively and that's why my Gun of choice is a Model 58 in 41 Magnum ... Less Recoil and I can shoot it much better ...
More people need to explore the 41 Magnum ... a good round .
I'm not a 44 Magnum fan unless it's in a model 92 Winchester ...
Now you got something Sweet !
Gary
You sre Not going to like the recoil of a 44 magnum in a S&W model 29 .
I've shot both , extensively and that's why my Gun of choice is a Model 58 in 41 Magnum ... Less Recoil and I can shoot it much better ...
More people need to explore the 41 Magnum ... a good round .
I'm not a 44 Magnum fan unless it's in a model 92 Winchester ...
Now you got something Sweet !
Gary
I'm sure there is some scientific data out there. My answer: A Bunch!
A 4" 629 unloaded is 43oz and a 4" 686 unloaded is 40oz, according to S&W.
Assuming both are loaded to the max charge with the most common bullet weight in H110 power...
629 with a 240gr at 1235fps recoils at 20.7ftlbs of pressure at 22.3fps
686 with a 158gr at 1300fps recoils at 10.7ftlbs of pressure at 16.6fps
Based on this, I'd say all things being equal 44mag generally speaking recoils at twice the pressure and 1.5x the speed of a 357, both from similar sized guns and both loaded with common bullet weights at max loads.
Assuming both are loaded to the max charge with the most common bullet weight in H110 power...
629 with a 240gr at 1235fps recoils at 20.7ftlbs of pressure at 22.3fps
686 with a 158gr at 1300fps recoils at 10.7ftlbs of pressure at 16.6fps
Based on this, I'd say all things being equal 44mag generally speaking recoils at twice the pressure and 1.5x the speed of a 357, both from similar sized guns and both loaded with common bullet weights at max loads.
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cruiserdan
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My model 27 trigger guard never bothers my middle finger. My model 29 trigger guard wacks my middle finger regularly. That could be poor technique on my part. When I shoot 44 special in the 29 it seems to be like the 27.
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I have a 8.5" 29 (in lovely nickel). It tends to tear the web of my thumb when I shoot it. My 6" 28 is smoother than a fresh of jar of Skippy with 357 magnum loads.
lppd4
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Hit the nail on the head
BillyMagg
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Right on the money Dan!
And we've worked ourselves back around to the beginning, the 44 Hand Ejector 1st Model would honestly do most of what we need done with that big beautiful bullet.
Today, for the very first time, I picked up a very nice 6 1/2" 44 Hand Ejector 1st Model Target. I took it out of the box, opened that big beautiful cylinder, palmed the ejector rod back, closed the cylinder, checked the timing and lock up, when it was in full lock, with the hammer "all the way back, a LONG way back".. I picked it up and almost dry fired it, but, I didn't, LOL
And we've worked ourselves back around to the beginning, the 44 Hand Ejector 1st Model would honestly do most of what we need done with that big beautiful bullet.
Today, for the very first time, I picked up a very nice 6 1/2" 44 Hand Ejector 1st Model Target. I took it out of the box, opened that big beautiful cylinder, palmed the ejector rod back, closed the cylinder, checked the timing and lock up, when it was in full lock, with the hammer "all the way back, a LONG way back".. I picked it up and almost dry fired it, but, I didn't, LOL
BillyMagg
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Interesting observations
I'm going to add a few of my own, I've shot my old model 27-2 a lot with full house 357's, shot a few 38's too, my first handgun, and a beautiful gun.. I ended up with a couple of 29-2's, my first real "handful of gun", yes they do kick a little bit,,
I shot a nice Ruger Blackhawk 45 Colt/45 ACP, a lot of fun, and with the ACP cylinder I had 4 rounds in 4"s with iron sights at 100 yards,, have no idea where the other two went??
I bought a very nice 29-5 Classic DX 6.5", a very pretty, very tight, very accurate hand gun, that kicked the **** out of me with those cute little "Murado Wood Combats", the Hogue's were a lot better.
I bought a 5" Stainless Super Blackhawk in 44 Magnum,, that was the most miserable handgun I've ever fired, beat me up with every round, 44 Specials were a little better.. The 44 Magnum Ruger Master, couldn't get it to group either. I sold that to my neighbor who was a big handloader, he swore he would get it to group...
Then I bought a 44 Ruger Flat top, a real 4 digit serial number Flat top, I loved that thing, even heavy loads, it just loved to
shoot, and I loved shooting it..
So I've recently sold my last two round butt N frames, a 627-0. and a 29-5, both guns I've had and enjoyed for 10 years, and picked up a very nice 44 Hand Ejector
I'm going to add a few of my own, I've shot my old model 27-2 a lot with full house 357's, shot a few 38's too, my first handgun, and a beautiful gun.. I ended up with a couple of 29-2's, my first real "handful of gun", yes they do kick a little bit,,
I shot a nice Ruger Blackhawk 45 Colt/45 ACP, a lot of fun, and with the ACP cylinder I had 4 rounds in 4"s with iron sights at 100 yards,, have no idea where the other two went??
I bought a very nice 29-5 Classic DX 6.5", a very pretty, very tight, very accurate hand gun, that kicked the **** out of me with those cute little "Murado Wood Combats", the Hogue's were a lot better.
I bought a 5" Stainless Super Blackhawk in 44 Magnum,, that was the most miserable handgun I've ever fired, beat me up with every round, 44 Specials were a little better.. The 44 Magnum Ruger Master, couldn't get it to group either. I sold that to my neighbor who was a big handloader, he swore he would get it to group...
Then I bought a 44 Ruger Flat top, a real 4 digit serial number Flat top, I loved that thing, even heavy loads, it just loved to
shoot, and I loved shooting it..
So I've recently sold my last two round butt N frames, a 627-0. and a 29-5, both guns I've had and enjoyed for 10 years, and picked up a very nice 44 Hand Ejector
.38SuperMan
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If you go to Hodgdon’s website and lookup 44mag and 357 mag loads you can configure loads for each at the desired bullet weight and velocity and powder charge. Then lookup a recoil calculator on line and plug in the numbers. It will give you in Ft pounds the recoil for each. You’ll need the weight of each revolver as well. The weights will be very close since they’re both N frames. The 357 will have slightly more weight due to the smaller bore but not by much.
It won’t take long to pull the data together and you can determine the loads you want to calculate and then you’ll have a scientific answer based on actual data.
It won’t take long to pull the data together and you can determine the loads you want to calculate and then you’ll have a scientific answer based on actual data.
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BillyMagg
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Model 29's are gorgeous and so much fun
I think you will like the model 29, I would probably go for the full underlug guns, with good grips, and probably the 6.5" barrel, if you want to enjoy shooting the 44 magnum. I did not like my 5" Stainless Super Blackhawk, at all..
I did love my little 4 digit Ruger 44 Flattop, so go figure, and it was very accurate..
I did and do limit full house loads, 44 Specials will get you on paper, and get you some "trigger time" in a more relaxed shooting experience, and yes it does help. Just like archery, the more time you spend shooting and working on your "form", the better your results,, when your form starts to "break down", STOP!
I think you will like the model 29, I would probably go for the full underlug guns, with good grips, and probably the 6.5" barrel, if you want to enjoy shooting the 44 magnum. I did not like my 5" Stainless Super Blackhawk, at all..
I did love my little 4 digit Ruger 44 Flattop, so go figure, and it was very accurate..
I did and do limit full house loads, 44 Specials will get you on paper, and get you some "trigger time" in a more relaxed shooting experience, and yes it does help. Just like archery, the more time you spend shooting and working on your "form", the better your results,, when your form starts to "break down", STOP!
BillyMagg
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It really is a good question though, isnt it??
So while we have looked at the data and the physics,, what hasn't been said, is that when shooting a heavy caliber handgun, success or failure basically happens between your two ears...
Almost every "flinches",, its true for most of us, and most of us go through stages... I flinched a lot when I started shooting 357's,, they are loud, and there is a "muzzle flash". I had a good shooting Buddy who dearly loved shooting "double taps" out of his or my? 44 Magnums, he was very honest about flinching, made me feel a lot better, more importantly, shooting with him challenged me to be a better shot, and I got a lot better, I enjoyed shooting "groups", and he enjoyed more combat style shooting.
If you think you don't flinch, let someone else load your gun, and leave out a round or two for every cylinder full,, then you will know, LOL
So while we have looked at the data and the physics,, what hasn't been said, is that when shooting a heavy caliber handgun, success or failure basically happens between your two ears...
Almost every "flinches",, its true for most of us, and most of us go through stages... I flinched a lot when I started shooting 357's,, they are loud, and there is a "muzzle flash". I had a good shooting Buddy who dearly loved shooting "double taps" out of his or my? 44 Magnums, he was very honest about flinching, made me feel a lot better, more importantly, shooting with him challenged me to be a better shot, and I got a lot better, I enjoyed shooting "groups", and he enjoyed more combat style shooting.
If you think you don't flinch, let someone else load your gun, and leave out a round or two for every cylinder full,, then you will know, LOL
marlin58
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recoil is definitely subjective, I was, actually pretty surprised to find Magnum recoils with wood grip not as bad as everyone led me to believe the first time I shot one & after many years of shooting all kinds of Smith & Wesson 44s I find it's only gotten easier to shoot not harder. I've never understood why people say it's such a hard shooting gun not that it is less than smaller calibers of course but definitely not as bad as I thought. I find a 357 Magnum in a short barrel revolver far nastier than the big heavy 44 Mag. The Ruger I found even lighter.
gnappi
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I don't think that the difference in recoil between a .357 and .44 is subjective.
