38s&w

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I loaded some 38s&w. Hoping for decent results. Couldn't obtain real bp but used pyrodex p fffg. 10 grains with about 5 grains of filler. Missouri bullet co. 361 hi tek projectile. Had to seat them about deep but I think over compression shouldn't be an issue with 10 grains of substitute.
 

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They sure do look good .
I have reloaded 38 S&W , but never tried black powder / pyrodex loading .
Will be looking for your Range Report ... it's required
Now... Choot 'Em !
Gary
 
Just an old s&w topbreak. Need real BP but this will do for now I suppose. I will have to get out to a range this weekend I hope
 
The August 2024 (issue 351) had a Pet Loads article by Brian Pierce on 38 S&W. The original factory load was 14 grains of Black Powder and a 145 gr RN lead bullet.

While I think your 10-grain load is safe, I would go with the 14 grains of PYRODEX P by volume. My experience with all the Pyrodex powders is they are harder to ignite so using a HOT regular primer would be best but a Mag Primer would be OK. Your velocity will still be a little low compared to FFFg Black Powder.

All black powder substitutes require a thorough cleaning soon after use. Weather it has Sulfur or not the powder residue absorbs air moisture and starts corroding rapidly. (Bad experience is too good of teacher!)

Ivan
 
I couldn't get a projectile to seat with 15 grains of pyrodex. I'm sure if I really smash one down in the press it would be fine. The revolver is 148 years old so I'm taking it a little bit easy.

Plus I wanted to try experimenting and learning how to use filler , there was a bit of a learning process but I feel comfortable with this now.

I need black powder. Real holy black
 
I couldn't get a projectile to seat with 15 grains of pyrodex. I'm sure if I really smash one down in the press it would be fine.
I need black powder. Real holy black

Real Holy Black Powder and the substitutes are to be compressed. In fact there is no over compressing. In smaller spaces like Cap & Ball and Cartridge FFFg is the norm and some people use FFFFg when they can find it,

All Pyrodex is course for the designations they give it. Cartridge Grade is much closer to FFg than FFFg.

I do a lot of BP Cartridge shotgun shells (All Brass). I do run into volume shortages on the higher velocity loads so I go to FFg instead of Fg. The fine grains have less space between them, and compress better. There is no such thing as Over Compressing Black and substitute powders.

One other thing I thought of is: especially Pyrodex, but pretty much all cartridges are suppose to be loaded by VOLUME, not by weighing the charge. You might want to get an inexpensive muzzle loading powder measure. They make smaller ones for the 36 and 32 caliber C & B revolvers.

Modern brass has less volume than the original Balloon Head brass. The solid Head or Webb takes a few grains of volume. Old cartridges usually had a lube treated wad between the bullet and the powder. Without a "Lube Cookie" or a lube soaked wad the residue (fouling) builds up much faster. One simple solution is to put lube on the front of the cartridge. Like wiping a potato chip in dip, slather some lard or Crisco on the cartridge. In cool weather I use a pop-cycle stick as a trowel and fill the chamber in front of the cartridge. (that's what you do on C&B revolvers too) For warm weather you need a more stiff lube. I use 2 parts paraffin (or candle wax) and one part Crisco. (I have friends in Cowboy Action shooting that use 357 mag brass, 18-20 grains of FFFg, standard primer, a 1/4" Thich Cookie of paraffin, under the bullet. In hot weather a over powder card under the cookie. When they shoot 5 shots quickly, the melted paraffin drips out their barrel for a minute or two. There is no fouling build up and the HOT WATER clean-up has less scrubbing) When you shoot between 100 and 200 BP cartridges out of a 4 gun competition, BP clean up isn't that much harder than smokeless.

Last "Hack" that I can think of is , Caring for your shot brass. Many will tell you that dropping them is hot water will soften the fouling inside the case, IT WILL! However there is a chemical reaction that will stain you cases an ugly black (it won't hurt anything) But if you want those cases to clean up bright and shiny, use the blue windshield washer fluid. It only takes enough to cover the empty cases, afterward wipe the fouling out, allow to dry a tumble as normal. I had all brass 12- and 20-gauge shells plus a few hundred 45 Colt cases that had several years' worth of staining and would never get shiny. I later went to the wet tumbling with stainless steel pins and detergent. This make them look brand new but isn't necessary.

For my eight 38 S&W revolvers, I use a 700-fps load of HP-38/WW231 load. I sometimes conceal carry my Safety Hammerless (Lemon Squeezer) and would never want to put it back in my pocket after firing BP ammo. (I even have a shoulder holster for this gun) But the making of fire and brimstone has a very profound effect as well as BP ammo is much louder than smokeless loads.

You can PM me If you need more information. I really hope you enjoy your revolver.

Ivan
 
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Tried to get a feel for the old Smith. The 10grain loads w 5 grains of cream of wheat did wonderfully. Quite abit of kick alot of smoke.

Wondering if my 15 grains loads would be fine. I didn't get a chance to chrono the 10 grains loadings. But have dismembered an old bp cartridge finding 15grains of BP that looked new still.
 
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