Jovino Model 60 3 inch

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Yesterday while at a local shop, I had a choice of a 3" model 60 or a 4" 586-1 for $549 each. Not currently owning a 4" .357 mag, I choose the 586. After getting home, I did a little Grok AI research on the model 60 based on the specs. I could remember. It turned out to be a mid 80's (AEW prefix) 3" sq. butt Jovino gun. I went back this morning to pick it up.

I don't usually like collectors' guns, but the price was too good to pass-up. I think I may actually carry it from time to time.

What carry ammo do you guys prefer in your 3" non+P guns? I figured the extra inch of barrel should help with velocity and expansion of HP ammo. Although I've got plenty of WC loads I could use.


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The 586.

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I use Federal .38 Hydra Shok in all my .38’s and HST in all my .357’s.

Those are good finds. But I bet I'm not the only one that laughed out loud when I read "collectors' guns". :)
 
I use Federal .38 Hydra Shok in all my .38’s and HST in all my .357’s.

Those are good finds. But I bet I'm not the only one that laughed out loud when I read "collectors' guns". :)

I was trying to figure out the best term to use for these guns. Scarce, rare, or perhaps the best term might be desirable? They seem to bring a premium due to their limited production, but as mentioned, I’m going to shoot/carry it. I’ve even gone so far as painting the front ramp orange. Old eyes suck, and that’s even with glasses.

I’ve got a good selection of .38 ammo, but most of its +p. I was leaning towards the Buffalo bore standard pressure.158 LSWC HP, as I’ve heard most of these old fixed sighted guns are regulated for a 158 SWC type bullet. Although I do have an old box of duty Win. 158 LSWC HP that probably clocks slower than the BB standard pressure. But the BB claims to have less pressure.

I’m still on the fence if these older J’s should use +P ammo?
 
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I’m still on the fence if these older J’s should use +P ammo?
Don’t be. Send an email to S&W and let them put your mind at ease. These guns are made like a tank.

J-frames aren’t target guns. And that’s not meant to take anything away from them, we all have them. We just don’t shoot matches with them. They are belly guns. If you are going to carry it, use some quality HP’s and practice point instinct shooting. (Shooting without using your sights)

A 586 is a very good competition gun. You just adjust its sights to where your rounds are hitting. If you carry it, you probably won’t carry it for long. It was my duty weapon and PPC weapon when I was a cop many years ago. But it weighs 44 oz’s loaded with 6 rounds. My M&P 2.0 Compact weighs 38 oz’s loaded with 15 rounds of .40S&W Federal HST’s. My revolvers are my favorite range toys and remind me of the good ole days. But my carry guns are modern M&P’s in 40S&W.
 
What modifications from stock does the 60 have?
 
What modifications from stock does the 60 have?
From what I understand, the Jovino guns are the only stainless 3” sq. butt guns with the barrel profile as shown. And only a 1,000 3” or so were ordered by Jovino out of NY. I might be mistaken, but they are all marked model 60. And based on when they were produced, they should be a 60 dash # gun?

I’m sure someone else can provide more info., it’s been awhile since I looked into this.
 
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Nice acquisition. I have a three inch DAO manufactured in late 80s-early 90s. From a shooter standpoint, the three inch guns shoot better than the. 1.78s. I’ve run +ps and occasionally-+p+ out of all my steel Js, I don’t necessarily recommend high pressure cartridges, especially +P+ anymore because fixing those pre lock revolvers is becoming less and less cheap. The hotter traveling bullets tend to wear things out or shoot things loose faster.
 
The original special Jovino guns were for a 3" heavy barrel square butt guns! There were 171 made in 1972 but not shipped until 1978! These guns had an "R" prefix with 5 numbers. All of these guns were shipped on 12 Jun 1978 to eight different distributors! To the OP; would you share the serial number of your gun?
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I really love my 3" S&W model 60-10. Many years ago I carried a 3" S&W model 36, nickel plated. It was a lot easier to shoot than the 2" model. I like the Speer 135 gr. in .38 SPL, but Underwood also has some interesting options.
 
The original special Jovino guns were for a 3" heavy barrel square butt guns! There were 169 made in 1978! These guns had an "R" prefix with 5 numbers. To the OP; would you share the serial number of your gun?
jcelect

I believe there is 2 versions of these. The 1978 guns and the mid 80's guns. Mine starts with AEW prefix. Mine isn't one of the 1978 guns. I believe it dates to 1985. And is one of the 1000 ordered in that time frame per a S&W letter I've seen. Product code 102304. I think this was the ad for these.

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I was trying to figure out the best term to use for these guns. Scarce, rare, or perhaps the best term might be desirable? They seem to bring a premium due to their limited production, but as mentioned, I’m going to shoot/carry it. I’ve even gone so far as painting the front ramp orange. Old eyes suck, and that’s even with glasses.

I’ve got a good selection of .38 ammo, but most of its +p. I was leaning towards the Buffalo bore standard pressure.158 LSWC HP, as I’ve heard most of these old fixed sighted guns are regulated for a 158 SWC type bullet. Although I do have an old box of duty Win. 158 LSWC HP that probably clocks slower than the BB standard pressure. But the BB claims to have less pressure.

I’m still on the fence if these older J’s should use +P ammo?
I’d fit that ‘desirable’ part for sure. Nice find(s) OP!
 
Dump 1567, you are correct! This was the first occurrence of this configuration. I corrected the quantity shipped in my post. There were 8 distributors that received these 171 guns. Jovino received 20 guns.
 
I was trying to figure out the best term to use for these guns. Scarce, rare, or perhaps the best term might be desirable? They seem to bring a premium due to their limited production, but as mentioned, I’m going to shoot/carry it. I’ve even gone so far as painting the front ramp orange. Old eyes suck, and that’s even with glasses.

I’ve got a good selection of .38 ammo, but most of its +p. I was leaning towards the Buffalo bore standard pressure.158 LSWC HP, as I’ve heard most of these old fixed sighted guns are regulated for a 158 SWC type bullet. Although I do have an old box of duty Win. 158 LSWC HP that probably clocks slower than the BB standard pressure. But the BB claims to have less pressure.

I’m still on the fence if these older J’s should use +P ammo?
There is zero worry about limited use of Plus P in the 3 inch J frames. I was issued a 3 inch 36 in 1977 for carry as a federal investigator. At the same time, I bought a personal one and now have been shooting that gun since 1977. My carry load back then was the Supervel, hotter than most Plus P ammo today.

I like the 130 grain ball ammo pretty well, sometimes called the Q load or Air Force load. I can hit a gallon jug at 100 yards about 3 out of 5, you just gotta learn the hold.

Today, I have a 3 inch model 60, 357 of course, love that gun. I carry 357s but I also own several others, model 36 and 637. Any of the hot self defense loads are safe in any of them.

It is not about safety, it is about wear. If you shoot lots of Plus P loads your gun will wear faster. We learned that with the issue guns, about 3,000 rounds and they would start shaving lead.

So, shoot the 158 grain wadcutters or even carry them and they gun will last forever. I just shoot the standard pressure and carry the hot ones. In 38 there is not that much of a training issue. When you practice with 38s and carry a 357 is where your training is inadequate but does not matter when it is only 38 standard pressure vs 38 Plus P.
 
Don’t be. Send an email to S&W and let them put your mind at ease. These guns are made like a tank.

J-frames aren’t target guns. And that’s not meant to take anything away from them, we all have them. We just don’t shoot matches with them. They are belly guns. If you are going to carry it, use some quality HP’s and practice point instinct shooting. (Shooting without using your sights)

A 586 is a very good competition gun. You just adjust its sights to where your rounds are hitting. If you carry it, you probably won’t carry it for long. It was my duty weapon and PPC weapon when I was a cop many years ago. But it weighs 44 oz’s loaded with 6 rounds. My M&P 2.0 Compact weighs 38 oz’s loaded with 15 rounds of .40S&W Federal HST’s. My revolvers are my favorite range toys and remind me of the good ole days. But my carry guns are modern M&P’s in 40S&W.
With the three inch model 60, I was giving demonstrations on shooting gallon jugs at 100 yards. The three inch will do that, I cannot do that with the 2 inch.

The short sight radius is a killer. I however now have 4 SW wheel guns with Crimson Trace grip lasers on them, solves the problem for everybody, especially old eyes. Your groups at distance shrink about 90%.

CT grip lasers never fail, the batteries start to go after a few years, but you can still use them, just change them when that happens. Batteries on laser grips usually last for years anyway, I have one model 637 that has never had the battery changed in 4-5 years, amazing, and the 2032 batteries only cost $1.

Generally I just put the laser grips on guns that I might need in a hurry, like home invasion, or for carry in the bear woods where I camp a lot. But truly they are about the best training device you can find. I used them to teach my CCW students, the see the wobble factor and learn to hold the gun steady.

Does not make the J frame a competition gun, but does solve real world problems, and today the laser are fail proof. Not cheap, but personal safety is worth the extra.

On semi autos, I use the under rail type that come on and off with a push of a button by the trigger finger or any other finger on the left side of the gun. Unless I need the laser, I never turn it on, just always there when you need it. On the M and Ps, 22 mag and 5.7 x 28, I use the green lasers, they actually work at distance in daylight and in dim light you can see them hundreds of yards, not that you would shoot that far, just observing the technology.
 
Nice piece. I remember the days when something new and interesting came out of S&W on what seemed like a monthly basis. I passed on a 940 back then and ended up building one later on using a 640 and one of the last 940 cylinders Smith had left over. That cylinder turned out to be a drop in installation that fit better than the factory .38 part. J-frames rock!
 
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