Mexico sues U.S. gunmakers

It's a legitimate concern. Their drug problems are caused by buyers up north. And their gun problems are caused by illegal sales from border state gun stores. I get knee-jerk responses to anything gun. But this is a problem that's ours to solve. If their case plays out, some of our gun stores have participated in smuggling guns to Mexico.

It's also not their job to defend the borders of any other sovereign nation. It's our job to protect our borders. It's pretty idiotic to expect them (or Canada) to do it for us.

So in the end here, the question is whether we should stop causing them problems. It's not whether they have the right to try to stop us.

Sometimes this a cauldron where individual reasoning ceases to happen. Are we not opposed to gun smuggling?

No, by your logic the problem is not sales, it is purchases.

If our side of the border is our problem then their side of the border is their problem.

[Re]check your reasoning, someone in this thread suggested. If you want to use reason and logic, then you can’t have it one way on one side of the border, and the opposite way on the other side of the border.
 
Last edited:
Why did Mexico sue US manufacturers of firearms when claiming gun stores may have illegally sold guns to some people?
 
Nor should the Supreme Court abide the endless lawsuits of similar nature posed by state and local governments, and special interest groups.
 
It's a legitimate concern. Their drug problems are caused by buyers up north. And their gun problems are caused by illegal sales from border state gun stores. I get knee-jerk responses to anything gun. But this is a problem that's ours to solve. If their case plays out, some of our gun stores have participated in smuggling guns to Mexico.

Clearly, it is not a legitimate concern and the alleged illegal sales, if such there be, is irrelevant to the case at hand.

Where did you ever come up with that concept?
 
It's a legitimate concern. Their drug problems are caused by buyers up north. And their gun problems are caused by illegal sales from border state gun stores. I get knee-jerk responses to anything gun. But this is a problem that's ours to solve. If their case plays out, some of our gun stores have participated in smuggling guns to Mexico.

It's also not their job to defend the borders of any other sovereign nation. It's our job to protect our borders. It's pretty idiotic to expect them (or Canada) to do it for us.

So in the end here, the question is whether we should stop causing them problems. It's not whether they have the right to try to stop us.

Sometimes this a cauldron where individual reasoning ceases to happen. Are we not opposed to gun smuggling?
"It's a legitimate concern. Their drug problems are caused by buyers up north. And their gun problems are caused by illegal sales from border state gun stores."

You mean, the cartels are buying their heavy machine guns, full-auto AKs, RPGs and Swedish AT-4's from Texas Bubba's Bullet and Bait in El Paso? Who knew!!?

"I get knee-jerk responses to anything gun. But this is a problem that's ours to solve."

Considered, pal, anything but knee-jerk to your prog talking points. The only thing I find at all plausible is, stupid US druggies demand fueling supply. China (I spit) is only too glad to ally with the cartels to help with that.

And, if your White Guilt makes you feel that strongly, then you get right on it. But in case you are unfamiliar with the Big White Bro from the North attempts to solve Mexico's internal problems, suggest you review the history of the 1916 Punitive Expedition. Then, gear up dude, you're in for a long haul.
 
Clearly, it is not a legitimate concern and the alleged illegal sales, if such there be, is irrelevant to the case at hand.

Where did you ever come up with that concept?
The
It's a legitimate concern. Their drug problems are caused by buyers up north. And their gun problems are caused by illegal sales from border state gun stores. I get knee-jerk responses to anything gun. But this is a problem that's ours to solve. If their case plays out, some of our gun stores have participated in smuggling guns to Mexico.

It's also not their job to defend the borders of any other sovereign nation. It's our job to protect our borders. It's pretty idiotic to expect them (or Canada) to do it for us.

So in the end here, the question is whether we should stop causing them problems. It's not whether they have the right to try to stop us.

Sometimes this a cauldron where individual reasoning ceases to happen. Are we not opposed to gun smuggling?
The weapons being used by the Mexican and Columbian cartels are largely fully automatic versions of M-16s, AK-47s and AKMs. Almost none are US gun store purchases, but military weapons bought from foreign weapons dealers. The ATF/US Attorney Operation Fast and Furious “gun walking” tracking scheme was exposed when a semiautomatic AK-47 allowed by ATF to be sold to criminals for supposed “tracking to the source” was by recovered by USBP. It had been used to kill Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry during an encounter with Mexican bandits who were operating to rob drug traffickers but ran into Terry’s four-man USBP team and decided to shoot it out with them. The murder weapon was traced back to the ATF Operation. ATF had completely lost track of the rifle they’d purposely directed to be sold to a known criminal for trafficking to Mexico.
 
The

The weapons being used by the Mexican and Columbian cartels are largely fully automatic versions of M-16s, AK-47s and AKMs. Almost none are US gun store purchases, but military weapons bought from foreign weapons dealers. The ATF/US Attorney Operation Fast and Furious “gun walking” tracking scheme was exposed when a semiautomatic AK-47 allowed by ATF to be sold to criminals for supposed “tracking to the source” was by recovered by USBP. It had been used to kill Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry during an encounter with Mexican bandits who were operating to rob drug traffickers but ran into Terry’s four-man USBP team and decided to shoot it out with them. The murder weapon was traced back to the ATF Operation. ATF had completely lost track of the rifle they’d purposely directed to be sold to a known criminal for trafficking to Mexico.
We should never forget this, especially about the murder of Brian Terry. IIRC, the Border Patrol Agents were unfortunately armed with less than lethal ammo and/or weapons. Border Patrol supervisors' heads should have rolled for that.
 
Sotomayor also said basically the same thing in a dissent this term.

IF the justices actually follow the law and precedents, any assault weapons ban case should be a 9-0. Any dissent would be saying Heller and Bruen are wrong. SBRs are in common use as well. Look at the NFA registry. All those braced pistols people registered as SBRs just ran the numbers up.

Full auto aside, the military uses SBRs, as the M4 has a short barrel. As well as SBS as breaching tools. So Miller and Heller should apply. If the Army and Marines use SBRs, then how is my SBR NOT usefull for militia duty? Should be protected then.
 
It's a legitimate concern. Their drug problems are caused by buyers up north. And their gun problems are caused by illegal sales from border state gun stores. I get knee-jerk responses to anything gun. But this is a problem that's ours to solve. If their case plays out, some of our gun stores have participated in smuggling guns to Mexico.

It's also not their job to defend the borders of any other sovereign nation. It's our job to protect our borders. It's pretty idiotic to expect them (or Canada) to do it for us.

So in the end here, the question is whether we should stop causing them problems. It's not whether they have the right to try to stop us.

Sometimes this a cauldron where individual reasoning ceases to happen. Are we not opposed to gun smuggling?

And street robberies are solely the fault of people who are willing to purchase stolen Rolexes, rather than the criminals who actually perform the robberies, and the gun purchases Mexico was whining over are solely the fault of the sellers rather than the criminals who made the illegal purchases ?

There are two facets to criminality and Mexico's hands are dirty too.
 

Latest posts

Back
Top