Glock ban moving forward in CA

A member of out hunting club who has an ATF class 2 license brought a full auto Glock 17 for a demo. He was able to control the 9mm pretty well. Of course he was very experienced with it's operation and kept all 32 rounds on target. Still, I think machine pistols have very limited practical use in military or police operations and no self defense use for civilians.
 
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Tell us all about how one would convert, say, an AR, a 1911, or a 10/22 with a file. 🤔

Or, just stop with the gunshop commando nonsense.
AR's and 1911's have been noted, on this forum too, going full auto or into burst fire by themselves at the range. Typically it's sear related and/or due to wear on certain parts, but if it can happen (albeit rarely) through normal use so it wouldn't be a far stretch for someone with knowledge to create one on their own. Of course, you'd have no "fun switch", but very doable.
 
A member of out hunting club who has an ATF class 2 license brought a full auto Glock 17 for a demo. He was able to control the 9mm pretty well. Of course he was very experienced with it's operation and kept all 32 rounds on target. Still, I thing machine pistols have very limited practical use in military or police operations and no self defense use for civilians.

A switch converted 17, or a Glock produced 18? There is quite a difference.
 
A member of out hunting club who has an ATF class 2 license brought a full auto Glock 17 for a demo. He was able to control the 9mm pretty well. Of course he was very experienced with it's operation and kept all 32 rounds on target. Still, I thing machine pistols have very limited practical use in military or police operations and no self defense use for civilians.
With a little practice, an AR outfitted with a Binary trigger is very controlable and you're able to empty out a 30rnd mag into a plate size area.
 
AB1127 would, if passed in its current form, BAN the sale of Glock pistols in the formerly great state of California. The bill, which does not mention Glock by name, would declare that any semi-automatic pistol designed like a Glock and that can be easily converted to fire fully automatically would not longer be legal for sale in CA. The bill passed overwhelmingly in the Assembly. CA has a Democrat super-majority in both houses of the legislature and all constitutional officers are also Democrat. Governor Gavin Newsom personally hates guns and gun owners and will certainly sign the bill into law if it gets to his desk.
"Formerly" would suggest it was great at some point. My question is when was it? I was stationed there in the early 80's and again in the early 90's. Both times SUCKED. I remember the first time I was there I was 20, and could drink since I was 18 legally. Then I go there and they say I'm too young. But I am old enough to die for my country? Don't let me get started on that Segway! LOL
 
I agree that fully automatic handguns are not much good for precision shooting. That being said many of the troglodytes who want to use such things are not into precision shooting, they are interested in spraying as much lead as they possibly can and hitting as many people as they possibly can in a short period of time. That makes things easier for the gun ban whackos.
The irony is spraying with auto fire isn’t as effective as actually aiming and firing.
 
The problem is no accountability for the bad guys and easy process to ban them,its a win win for the ca liberals. Also it is for all purposes a glock ban but they have worded the so it applies to any handgun that a switch will work on it to make it fully automatic.so you know what's coming next ,more and more bans of hand guns . somebody in the state government dreamed up a good one and maybe 10 yrs done the road it might go to the supreme court.So much for common use guns
 
Yep...the DIAS. If not registered is a trip to the Grey Bar Hotel. Even in that case, to use one, you had to covert the FCG and BCG to full-auto parts, so it was not as easy as just dropping in the sear...and certainly more than using a file.
 
I struggle to find any value in a full auto pistol. I would really like to see someone's target shooting in that mode.
Agreed. A couple decades ago, we heard about bump-firing, and watched a couple video tutorials, and gave it a try with a WASR AK. After completely wasting a couple boxes of ammo, we lost interest, and never tried it again. It was almost completely useless, and that was with a rifle, I can only imagine how useless a small, lightweight pistol would be in full auto.
 
AR's and 1911's have been noted, on this forum too, going full auto or into burst fire by themselves at the range. Typically it's sear related and/or due to wear on certain parts, but if it can happen (albeit rarely) through normal use so it wouldn't be a far stretch for someone with knowledge to create one on their own. Of course, you'd have no "fun switch", but very doable.
Not really, and certainly not with just a file.

The best that’s generally achievable is a gun that will slam fire for 2-3 rounds. But actually making it full auto? Nope.

The old trope about making a full auto by “filing down the firing pin (or sear)” has been repeated so frequently (and authoritatively) by those who have no idea what they’re talking about, that it’s actually become part of the gun guy lexicon. It really needs to just go away.
 
Yep...the DIAS. If not registered is a trip to the Grey Bar Hotel. Even in that case, to use one, you had to covert the FCG and BCG to full-auto parts, so it was not as easy as just dropping in the sear...and certainly more than using a file.
That’s a pre ‘81 DIAS. It occupies a very strange niche in the realm of “legal” parts.
 
No intrinsic vale whatsoever, but "bangers" love to spray and pray
Well, "spray" perhaps. They give not a fat rat's posterior where the bullets go. The drama is the incentive.
Tell us all about how one would convert, say, an AR, a 1911, or a 10/22 with a file. 🤔
Oh, it can be done, after a fashion, by filing the sear. Will it be reliable, or likely lead to a run away gun? That too.

We God fearing, law abiding gun owners, are leery to even own a gun that doubles, or triples, due to a worn sear or other malf.
Prosecuting these halfwits, even found in possession of such contraption, would really solve the problem. But that doesn't make sense, in this day and age.
Moon
 
All you need to do is tweak the sear. Doing it to the point where it will work RELIABLY is another matter, but that does work. Ask anybody who has ever had a semi-auto double, or triple, or whatever, because the sear got sticky.
My Valmet 76 went full auto on me right after I bought it. The firing pin was stuck forward from years of neglect. Slam fire. A good cleaning made4 it right.
 
Well, "spray" perhaps. They give not a fat rat's posterior where the bullets go. The drama is the incentive.

Oh, it can be done, after a fashion, by filing the sear. Will it be reliable, or likely lead to a run away gun? That too.

We God fearing, law abiding gun owners, are leery to even own a gun that doubles, or triples, due to a worn sear or other malf.
Prosecuting these halfwits, even found in possession of such contraption, would really solve the problem. But that doesn't make sense, in this day and age.
Moon

All you need to do is tweak the sear. Doing it to the point where it will work RELIABLY is another matter, but that does work. Ask anybody who has ever had a semi-auto double, or triple, or whatever, because the sear got sticky.
Look like you guys don’t really know how full auto firearms work. “Tweaking” or filing down the sear won’t do it.
 
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