Used blackhawk 44 mags not worth much anymore?

147 grains of lead an copper going 1000 fps is nothing to sneeze at. The FBI load was a 158 going 900. That’s the bullet that stopped the Miami Shootout.

Instead of shooting into a dirt bank, why don’t you get a chronograph. Because until you have a chronograph, you simply don’t know what’s going on.

1000 fps with a 240 lead semi wadcutter will exit the biggest white tail deer we have where I live. That’s a fairly pleasant load in my Super Black hawk.
 
silicosys4,

Have owned all three , still own a CS Black Powder frame Colt and a Standard . Also own several Ruger's , a hand full of Italians and a few first generation Colt's. The first time I shot the custom shop 4 3/4" BP .45 the cylinder pin walked with every shot. Easy fix just needed a retaining screw that was long enough to actually put pressure on the pin to retain it. Pretty sorry for a " Bespoke" gun.

Most guns produced ( vast majority ) by the three manufacturers listed are nowhere near "Bespoke" but are production guns. They are not custom made to order and fitted to whoever is purchasing them anymore than the Ruger or the Italians. You could order custom guns from all three but you make it sound like everything they produce is of that quality and everything Ruger makes is basically just junk . I love Colt SAA's as much as anyone but they have made plenty of ill fitted and near non functional guns over the years to the point that many Colt shooters and collectors flat out avoid certain eras of their product . Not arguing , don't care enough to argue but I did find your blanket statement comparing Ruger quality to a Heritage Arms product rather offensive.
 
silicosys4,

Have owned all three , still own a CS Black Powder frame Colt and a Standard . Also own several Ruger's , a hand full of Italians and a few first generation Colt's. The first time I shot the custom shop 4 3/4" BP .45 the cylinder pin walked with every shot. Easy fix just needed a retaining screw that was long enough to actually put pressure on the pin to retain it. Pretty sorry for a " Bespoke" gun.

Most guns produced ( vast majority ) by the three manufacturers listed are nowhere near "Bespoke" but are production guns. They are not custom made to order and fitted to whoever is purchasing them anymore than the Ruger or the Italians. You could order custom guns from all three but you make it sound like everything they produce is of that quality and everything Ruger makes is basically just junk . I love Colt SAA's as much as anyone but they have made plenty of ill fitted and near non functional guns over the years to the point that many Colt shooters and collectors flat out avoid certain eras of their product . Not arguing , don't care enough to argue but I did find your blanket statement comparing Ruger quality to a Heritage Arms product rather offensive.
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Looks pretty bad; as a guy who collects Colts especially I'm absolutely over here weeping, you're spot on old sport...you'd better let us take all your SA Rugers off your hands for about 150 a pop, as you suggested the quality was closer to. Heck, I'll be generous and offer 170! :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
Looks pretty bad; as a guy who collects Colts especially I'm absolutely over here weeping, you're spot on old sport...you'd better let us take all your SA Rugers off your hands for about 150 a pop, as you suggested the quality was closer to. Heck, I'll be generous and offer 170! :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
Truth hurts if you have emotionally invested yourself in a mediocre product.
I don't have any more centerfire Ruger SA's, closest thing I have is a U.S. Arms Abilene. Let me know when Ruger even approaches this level of fit/finish.
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Truth hurts if you have emotionally invested yourself in a mediocre product.
I don't have any more centerfire Ruger SA's, closest thing I have is a U.S. Arms Abilene. Let me know when Ruger even approaches this level of fit/finish.
...I'd venture to say you're completely missing the point of why a person who knows guns buys a Ruger to begin with. You also miss my point regarding your illogic regarding their financial value. Best of luck with your collection, which isn't mine, and that's happier for both of us - I don't think you'd care for my conglomeration of misfit-looking shooters and I don't want a room full of 'pretty', I'd collect Hummel figures or those little crystal birds if I wanted that I guess.

We can agree to disagree, but you seem to have a hard time seeing that about old Bill's products...
 
...I'd venture to say you're completely missing the point of why a person who knows guns buys a Ruger to begin with. You also miss my point regarding your illogic regarding their financial value. Best of luck with your collection, which isn't mine, and that's happier for both of us - I don't think you'd care for my conglomeration of misfit-looking shooters and I don't want a room full of 'pretty', I'd collect Hummel figures or those little crystal birds if I wanted that I guess.

We can agree to disagree, but you seem to have a hard time seeing that about old Bill's products...
This isn't a Ruger forum.
 
This isn't a Ruger forum.
it's a thread about Blackhawks and Rugers in the 'Other Guns...etc' section. Sorry if you hate'em, some of us like'em and even own a few/couple dozen. As said, to clarify I'm a Colt guy at heart and yep, on that forum more often than this one, but vintage S&W is about half my collection. Which is what this forum is for. And which this thread has not been about at all...are you getting yet that others can and in some cases happily do just disagree with you?

In short: I buy a Colt if I want a 'proper' (my term) SAA, I buy a Ruger if I want a relatively inexpensive gun where the ammo can and will break my hand before it breaks the gun, and frankly - a play pretty USFA or the like? As a guy who shoots everything he owns, I've got zero interest in owning, compadre. Maybe a BFR at some point, but I prefer my DA shooters in heavy calibers, for full honesty. Bringing me back to S&W, and, as much as you seem to loath'em, Bill Ruggy's Redhawk and variants.

Is any of my point getting across yet, or do you really think I'm still trying to troll for Sturm & Co? Because if so, jeez, guy, can you miss a point!

*Since you do miss my point - intentionally - an actual 'glowing review' of the BH below. :)
 
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it's a thread about Blackhawks and Rugers in the 'Other Guns...etc' section. Sorry if you hate'em, some of us like'em and even own a few/couple dozen. As said, to clarify I'm a Colt guy at heart and yep, on that forum more often than this one, but vintage S&W is about half my collection. Which is what this forum is for. And which this thread has not been about at all...are you getting yet that others can and in some cases happily do just disagree with you?

In short: I buy a Colt if I want a 'proper' (my term) SAA, I buy a Ruger if I want a relatively inexpensive gun where the ammo can and will break my hand before it breaks the gun, and frankly - a play pretty USFA or the like? As a guy who shoots everything he owns, I've got zero interest in owning, compadre. Maybe a BFR at some point, but I prefer my DA shooters in heavy calibers, for full honesty. Bringing me back to S&W, and, as much as you seem to loath'em, Bill Ruggy's Redhawk and variants.

Is any of my point getting across yet, or do you really think I'm still trying to troll for Sturm & Co? Because if so, jeez, guy, can you miss a point!
You aren't entitled to a glowing review and gushing over a Ruger product. Get over it.
 
So I haven't really weighed in on the original question this thread posited but should probably in an effort to clarify my thoughts on the Ruger Blackhawk.

Many people will find the SA design of the BH easier with full magnum loads, but as others have stated within the thread the BH suffers the knuckles of many by way of it's trigger guard. For this reason many that are purchased are used briefly and then sold off, sometimes as noted by others with as few as six rounds fired. The effect can be mitigated in some if not most cases by swapping out the standard stocks for rubbers or customs of one's own choosing, of course.

As has been gleefully pointed out by some members, the fit and finish of a BH or most Rugers in general will in no way compete with guns costing well into the four figures - and it should be kept in mind by all involved, as a general rule, Ruger handguns aren't meant to play in that arena, either - most would agree this is by design, I know I certainly do.

Where the BH excels - as most (if not all) of the steel-frame Ruger revolver designs do - is from the intense strength of the frame and action itself. To date there are loads listed in various reloading manuals and the like that state certain loads are 'Ruger Only' 'Ruger & Long Guns Only' and the like. In a nutshell, hunting handloads that will rattle a 629-3, for example, apart to a loose action in short order, will usually be withstood by a Ruger BH (or Redhawk) much longer with the firearm staying in good operational spec.

Ruger Blackhawks seem to hit the market at a lower price point for a variety of reasons, which can be influenced by location, the seller (often it's someone's first ill-advised foray into the .44), regional hunting laws, and the like. In a sense they are a 'gateway' gun to a very special/significant/famous caliber for many that a fair number of those individuals end up not loving. So when it is sold, lacking the cache of the 29, the related pedigree of the 629, or what might be termed the relative 'beauty' of the traditional SAA, the value ends up dropping further. Also to be noted as others have pointed out, Ruger, like Taurus, always tends to suffer a deeper % loss off of original pricing when resold as compared to Colt, S&W, etc.

Within a handful of constraints the Ruger Blackhawk and its kin are absolutely excellent firearms for ACTUAL USE, IF you find that the grip design and trigger guard work for you. These guns harken back to the philosophy that a firearm is a tool, meant to be used, used hard at times, and functionality takes precedent over pretty 95% of the time in the Rugers I've had in my two decades plus of collecting.

Now that's about as glowing as I can get for the good old BH, which, while I like, I'm actually somewhat ambivalent about and simply think of as a damn fine tool for what it was made for.

Cheers all. ;)
 
I don't know about others, but it would take a substantial sum to make me even think about parting with either of these.

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Loading gate fit on these shown in Paladin's post looks to be about average . Mine look the same . How hard did you have to look to find that one jacked up looking one ? You strike me as being a snob and nothing more . I'll just ignore you on purpose from now on as it seems I have unintentionally done so in the past.

By the way , did you beat on this "Bespoke Gun " yourself or did you request that standard do that for you ? Right frame side next to the nose of the hammer. This is your picture from your post. Looks a bit rough to me , nothing like that on my Ruger's.
 

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Last I checked it was not a Colt, USFA , or Standard forum either , it is a Smith & Wesson Forum.
Which is why its odd that a person would be on a S&W forum complaining and slinging insults because another person doesn't think Ruger SA's are the bee's knees

The question was asked. Why aren't Ruger Blackhawks flying off the used gun shelves at $500? And the OP is right. They aren't.

I answered that there are a lot of them, they are a budget gun, and they are not particularly well fitted compared to other options, especially at the ridiculous MSRP Ruger has them at now. This isn't a Ruger forum so I don't feel particularly constrained in speaking plainly about my opinion and why.
 
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Browsing through GB last night and came upon a Blackhawk in 44 mag. Blued with plastic grips in excellent condition. The starting bid was $500. Nobody bid. I would have thought that pistol would have sold pretty easily but zero interest. Looked up older auctions and found several either sell for around that same price of maybe slightly higher. Also several at low starting prices that never got a bid. I always thought these were a pretty popular pistol but maybe not so much anymore. I almost bid on it since I don't own any 44's but I'm about to clean out some unused pistols from my safe already so I held off. Do these really lose that much value. Is it because they're single action or is 44 magnum no longer a popular caliber?

I’ve got a 4 5/8 inch Blackhawk in .357 MAG and the second cylinder is in .9MM that was the first single action I had bought when I first got interested in firearms. I don’t have it for the collection as much as I carried it when I was Spring turkey hunting. I would load it with CCI snake shot. The .9MM cylinder is probably more fun than the magnum. I’ve shot some heavy magnum rounds in it, but I can’t say it’s as pleasant. I’ll never sell it, but I am sentimental about the old gun. She was one of my first purchases. Bill Sr. made a good product back in those days along with the M77 ( pick your caliber ).
 
Which is why its odd that a person would be on a S&W forum complaining and slinging insults because another person doesn't think Ruger SA's are the bee's knees

The question was asked. Why aren't Ruger Blackhawks flying off the used gun shelves at $500? And the OP is right. They aren't.

I answered that there are a lot of them, they are a budget gun, and they are not particularly well fitted compared to other options, especially at the ridiculous MSRP Ruger has them at now. This isn't a Ruger forum so I don't feel particularly constrained in speaking plainly about my opinion and why.

Well you lost me when you compared them to a Heritage. I think we all get it now. You don't think much of Rugers. If fit and finish are your most important criteria, regardless of cost, then I think I can understand why. They are for the most part excellent shooters. Durable. Accurate. Affordable. Mine shoot every bit as good as the ones I have with a better fit and finish.
 
Come to think of it, I have never seen a Colt or USFA in a holster behind a pack of bear dogs, or hanging on the rack of an atv or looped around the fender light of a tractor....but I have seen several Rugers in those locales.
 
Come to think of it, I have never seen a Colt or USFA in a holster behind a pack of bear dogs, or hanging on the rack of an atv or looped around the fender light of a tractor....but I have seen several Rugers in those locales.


You obviously haven't been following me , all my Colt , Standard , S&W and Ruger handguns have served in those positions except the ATV which I don't own . I had one one time but she either got too tall or my legs shrunk so I gave her to a local kid to ride . Substitute Bear for Hog as we have no Bears that can be hunted in Alabama . I'm no snob like the now ignored person so all of my guns are working guns . Anything I feel is too dear to use , barring family heirlooms, goes down the road.
 
I had a Ruger 4 5/8" 41 mag. It was a great well made firearm and I should have kept it because it was a pretty rare piece. Investment casting vs poorly done machine work. I find an argument when people faint over a company that has produced absolute junk, plastic Tupperware, bent sheet metal, .22s that don't work well but cost an arm and a leg. Once a great company, now a company going though the motions.
 
I was a bit surprised, getting this Flat Top in 44 Magnum for a good deal under $600.00. So far as recoil is concerned, I handload down a bit and generally shoot lead.View attachment 763269
THAT is exactly like the one my dad had & said he'd save for me - BUT DIDN'T. I remember curling my pinky finger under the butt to help recoil (as instructed) - when I fired it. I was sorely disappointed I didn't get it.
I'm 78 now, & have realized it was not as practical for me, as the handguns I now own - & that it was the thrill of a hand canon I liked.
.45 acp is the largest caliber I shoot. now & I do get a thrill out of my Brazil Contract (1917) S&W. So I am satisfied with what I have, & know my limitations.
 
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