New 686-7 Mountain Gun

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Sunday is typically the day that I go to the range. There is a gun shop that is open, and on the way, there. I stopped in just because I could. I did not see anything to get excited about. As I was walking towards the exit, I stopped to ask the owner if he had received any of the Mountain Guns yet. He said as a matter of fact, one had come in yesterday, but it was ordered for a guy, and he picked it up right away. I asked if he anticipated having any more, anytime soon. He checked his computer then said, they were allocated but none of his distributors were showing any in stock at that moment. All of a sudden, the other clerk in the shop said "Mike, I think you ordered two, I saw one in the back this morning". He then returned with it, and I am its new owner. $1120 plus tax put it at $1191.12 in total.
Today, I picked it up and took it for its first range trip. As far as fit, finish, and mechanical function are concerned I am very happy. As fare as accuracy is concerned, I am disappointed. The first 5 rounds grouped tightly but hit the edge of the target while my point of aim was 6 o'clock on the X ring. Easily four to five inches low. Target was at the 7-yard line. I fired double action from bags. I ended up firing 70 rounds using a variety of ammo, Freedom Munitions 158 Gr 38 special, Blazer 125 Gr 38 special +P, and Freedom Munitions 158 Gr 357 magnum. All were FMJ. I adjusted the rear sight up every 5 rounds. The best I could do was aim at 12 o'clock to hit 6 o'clock in the x ring. The rear sight is adjusted all the way up. Here are a few photos. The stocks do feel great, and recoil is easily managed. Hopefully there will be taller sights available for these but sadly, one should not have to change sights on a new product costing nearly $1200 dollars.
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Sunday is typically the day that I go to the range. There is a gun shop that is open, and on the way, there. I stopped in just because I could. I did not see anything to get excited about. As I was walking towards the exit, I stopped to ask the owner if he had received any of the Mountain Guns yet. He said as a matter of fact, one had come in yesterday, but it was ordered for a guy, and he picked it up right away. I asked if he anticipated having any more, anytime soon. He checked his computer then said, they were allocated but none of his distributors were showing any in stock at that moment. All of a sudden, the other clerk in the shop said "Mike, I think you ordered two, I saw one in the back this morning". He then returned with it, and I am its new owner. $1120 plus tax put it at $1191.12 in total.
Today, I picked it up and took it for its first range trip. As far as fit, finish, and mechanical function are concerned I am very happy. As fare as accuracy is concerned, I am disappointed. The first 5 rounds grouped tightly but hit the edge of the target while my point of aim was 6 o'clock on the X ring. Easily four to five inches low. Target was at the 7-yard line. I fired double action from bags. I ended up firing 70 rounds using a variety of ammo, Freedom Munitions 158 Gr 38 special, Blazer 125 Gr 38 special +P, and Freedom Munitions 158 Gr 357 magnum. All were FMJ. I adjusted the rear sight up every 5 rounds. The best I could do was aim at 12 o'clock to hit 6 o'clock in the x ring. The rear sight is adjusted all the way up. Here are a few photos. The stocks do feel great, and recoil is easily managed. Hopefully there will be taller sights available for these but sadly, one should not have to change sights on a new product costing nearly $1200 dollars.
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Glad you found one but don't you need a shorter front sight blade?
 
Glad you found one, but don't you need a shorter front sight blade?

I believe changing the point of impact can be achieved both by shortening the front sight or raising the rear sight. If I can get a taller rear sight blade, I'd like to go that route. I really don't want to go through the expense of a new front sight plus gunsmith fees on a brand-new gun.
 
Congratulations on your new S&W M.G. plus 357.
Mine’s still coming, I’m 2nd on the list, which is
good because maybe all the dysfunctional ones
will resolve Q.C. problems.

When I started shooting my M.G.s I noticed I would
shoot low too. I was just pulling the revolver down
when pulling the trigger.

Once aware of this, I carefully watched the front
sight (always watch the front sight rule), kept it
in frame, and my point of aim improved.

I came across this picture one time, might help.

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^Thats pretty condescending. That’s handgun 101

Dino44, I’ll bet, knows how to shoot. My 686MG also shot way low, as have numerous others. Those guns either have too tall of a front sight, or too low of a rear sight. However you slice it, it’s not correct. However, that issue isn’t hard to rectify. You can order a new rear sight blade from MidwayUSA for $15 plus shipping.

In my hands, those grips and skinny barrel look a whole lot better than they shoot.

Dino, I wish my gun had a properly fitted crane like yours
 
My 686MG shot way low, even with the rear sight cranked up as far as I dared. Front sight is way too tall. I went to a taller rear sight.

Otherwise, I really like the MG; times up solidly, can't feel any end shake, .005" B/C gap, cylinder is ~.050" longer than my earlier 686s, barrel extension/forcing cone are appears larger in diameter than on my earlier 686s, trigger smooth in DA, clean ~4 1/2# SA, etc.

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My 686MG shot way low, even with the rear sight cranked up as far as I dared. Front sight is way too tall. I went to a taller rear sight.

Otherwise, I really like the MG; times up solidly, can't feel any end shake, .005" B/C gap, cylinder is ~.050" longer than my earlier 686s, barrel extension/forcing cone are appears larger in diameter than on my earlier 686s, trigger smooth in DA, clean ~4 1/2# SA, etc.

Happy to hear it is functioning well (other than the issue with sight height). Was there a particular height for the replacement taller rear sight you found worked the best?
 
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Sunday is typically the day that I go to the range. There is a gun shop that is open, and on the way, there. I stopped in just because I could. I did not see anything to get excited about. As I was walking towards the exit, I stopped to ask the owner if he had received any of the Mountain Guns yet. He said as a matter of fact, one had come in yesterday, but it was ordered for a guy, and he picked it up right away. I asked if he anticipated having any more, anytime soon. He checked his computer then said, they were allocated but none of his distributors were showing any in stock at that moment. All of a sudden, the other clerk in the shop said "Mike, I think you ordered two, I saw one in the back this morning". He then returned with it, and I am its new owner. $1120 plus tax put it at $1191.12 in total.
Today, I picked it up and took it for its first range trip. As far as fit, finish, and mechanical function are concerned I am very happy. As fare as accuracy is concerned, I am disappointed. The first 5 rounds grouped tightly but hit the edge of the target while my point of aim was 6 o'clock on the X ring. Easily four to five inches low. Target was at the 7-yard line. I fired double action from bags. I ended up firing 70 rounds using a variety of ammo, Freedom Munitions 158 Gr 38 special, Blazer 125 Gr 38 special +P, and Freedom Munitions 158 Gr 357 magnum. All were FMJ. I adjusted the rear sight up every 5 rounds. The best I could do was aim at 12 o'clock to hit 6 o'clock in the x ring. The rear sight is adjusted all the way up. Here are a few photos. The stocks do feel great, and recoil is easily managed. Hopefully there will be taller sights available for these but sadly, one should not have to change sights on a new product costing nearly $1200 dollars.
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Since the front sight is pinned, I would call CS and see if they will send you a lower front sight blade...seems worth a phone call to me...they might even want the entire revolver returned on their dime
 
bigggbbruce, "In the pictures the rear sight is bottomed out."

I took the pictures while the gun was still in its virgin state, just prior to commencing fire.

mariner1915, "Was there a particular height for the replacement taller rear sight you found worked the best?"

I emailed S&W customer service requesting to know what height rear sights are being install on the mountain guns, since there are 3 options on their own website. (.126, .146, & .160) I also explained the accuracy issues I had encountered. I received a quick response that did not answer my specific questions but asked for my mailing address and stated that a replacement would be sent out. At this point I am waiting to see what arrives, front or rear.
 
While the communication you describe is now what we should get, it sure sounds like S&W is aware of the problem based on the alacrity with which they sent out .... "something".
 
bigggbbruce, "In the pictures the rear sight is bottomed out."

I took the pictures while the gun was still in its virgin state, just prior to commencing fire.

mariner1915, "Was there a particular height for the replacement taller rear sight you found worked the best?"

I emailed S&W customer service requesting to know what height rear sights are being install on the mountain guns, since there are 3 options on their own website. (.126, .146, & .160) I also explained the accuracy issues I had encountered. I received a quick response that did not answer my specific questions but asked for my mailing address and stated that a replacement would be sent out. At this point I am waiting to see what arrives, front or rear.
Sounds like a quick resolution. Hopefully they know what works best for them NOW.
Larry
 
Just awhile ago, unfortunately I had to pass on my
Lipsey’s new 2025 S&W Mdl 686 Plus Mountain Gun
357Rem Mag 7 shot.

Way too many blemishes;
Front Sight bluing thin on left side.
Machine chatter marks around each inside
edge of front cylinder chamber holes
(Star extractor lift teeth ok, fit well done).
Two polished looking dimples on right edge
of receiver plate by hammer.
Unsightly radius buffed groove on barrel rib.
Grips one dark side and one lighter side.
Grip fit touching all frame excellent and bottom too.
Screw second one down by grip bugered up.
Business card slipped in Yoke/crane and frame gap.
No inconsistency in frame/barrel polish.
Rear Sight centered, nice finish.
Muzzle well finished. Very sharp edges on
forcing cone end.
357 cartridge billboard roll stamped in,
Mountain Gun billboard lasered on, cheap.
Barrel/cylinder gap appears very tight but
one side minute wider than other.
Trigger inside edge dinged up.
Trigger pull SA very nice, smooth, glass
break. I don’t do DA ever.

Very obvious Quality Control is lacking. Very
disappointed in this first one. Hope my next
one, I can take home.

Even with all its flaws, I liked it. I like this
357Rem Mag concept of the Mountain Gun.
It is a very nice smallish (L-frame) revolver.
Light weight, nice handling, hand to wood
grip fit uniquely nice.
7-shot is nice feature.
Very carry worthy, concealable, packable.
 
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