LittleAugieMo
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So...did mentioned gun shops have any .41 mag ammo in stock?
in Seattle.. yes, they have .41 mag in stockSo...did mentioned gun shops have any .41 mag ammo in stock?
hard to find a couple in order to film the Dirty Harry movie. After the movie came out things went better for them.
I understand that a Model 57 was used in the movie.
In the back forty of my mind is the thought that the .44 Mag would work just as well with homebrewed black powder as a .44-40 would.That would be me.
Rick
Be sure to let me know how that works out for you. I'll wait here.In the back forty of my mind is the thought that the .44 Mag would work just as well with homebrewed black powder as a .44-40 would.
The question was about the two shops that "didn't have .44 magnum ammo" not about gunshops in general, in Seattle..../in Seattle.. yes, they have .41 mag in stock
I have to admit, the shooting landscape is changing over the years and the 9mm 'crunchentickers' are very prevalent. That said, the 44 is going nowhere with the 'real' shooters. We still know what's what.
I certainly have read that but I am usure if it is true. I actually saw one of them used in the Dirty Harry movie but it was behind glass so I couldn't open it to check the model #In the back forty of my mind is the thought that the .44 Mag would work just as well with homebrewed black powder as a .44-40 would.
I was looking at a gun safe on the Sportsman’s Warehouse website, and when examining customer photos, I saw that the VAST majority of long guns owned were AR or AK platforms with polymer stocks and picatinny rails, lasers, lights etc., with an occasional wood-stocked hunting rifle or shotgun. And pretty much all handguns were polymer hi-cap semi autos. I was actually surprised by the lack of older, or “classic” firearms, but maybe I shouldn’t be.
I’m in my mid-40s, so I’m not an old guy…unless you ask someone who’s in their mid-20s. But I was raised using older things. Furniture and things around the house was often from the 1920s to the 1960s. It’s just what we had. I grew up using rotary phones…they worked…along with chord-less phones and cellphones. I learned to type on a typewriter (A what??). I had lots of video games, but during the day I rode my bike, played ball, ran around the neighborhood, then played video games after it was dark. I’d make stuff with scrap wood in the garage. It was an interesting transitional period before pretty much everything kids did, for fun or otherwise, was on a computer or personal device.
Today, it seems that some…I say SOME because I don’t want to generalize…but some younger people feel that “all things” have “always been” according to their own experience. They were born with a smartphone in their hand…wasn’t everyone? They’ve always had the internet…hasn’t everyone always had the internet? Their folks bought them a brand new, or at least a very nice used car when they were 16…didn’t everyone?
To many, I am one of those younger people, but I noticed about 17 years ago that I had more rapport with someone born in 1912 than my own brother 10 years my junior.
While we’re both technically Millennials, I’m more a Gen-Xer and him a Gen-Z. Indeed, my dad and I are like peers, and my poor brother feels like he can’t relate to us. There’s a huge generation gap. It’s a gap I hope to close, and I’m sure it will with time.
Point being, I think wheel-guns represent an extremely antiquated way of doing things that most younger folks are many times removed from. And just imagine being 21, walking into a gun shop looking for your first handgun…You see a 9mm Springfield XD for $650 new, $400 used. Want more power? Fine, XD 10mm for about the same price. Now you see a S&W 629 for $1,150… “DANG really??…isn’t that just an old cowboy gun??? Pass…”
To me, an N-Frame 44 Special or M1917 is the bees knees, but most of my friends my age and even older who shoot don’t even know what those guns are. Things are changing, and the revolver, along with the 44 Mag, fills a niche that gets a little narrower each passing year.
What are your thoughts?
I see where you're coming from, but I remember going to gun shows just as the glock (doesn't deserve a capital "G") craze really took hold and one was hard pressed to find even a high-end new Smith for over $400-$500, no matter the model or caliber. Things have clearly changed a lot since then and I think one factor is that younger serious shooters are looking around and and realizing that there are much better offerings than stuff built out of plastic.I was looking at a gun safe on the Sportsman’s Warehouse website, and when examining customer photos, I saw that the VAST majority of long guns owned were AR or AK platforms with polymer stocks and picatinny rails, lasers, lights etc., with an occasional wood-stocked hunting rifle or shotgun. And pretty much all handguns were polymer hi-cap semi autos. I was actually surprised by the lack of older, or “classic” firearms, but maybe I shouldn’t be.
I’m in my mid-40s, so I’m not an old guy…unless you ask someone who’s in their mid-20s. But I was raised using older things. Furniture and things around the house was often from the 1920s to the 1960s. It’s just what we had. I grew up using rotary phones…they worked…along with chord-less phones and cellphones. I learned to type on a typewriter (A what??). I had lots of video games, but during the day I rode my bike, played ball, ran around the neighborhood, then played video games after it was dark. I’d make stuff with scrap wood in the garage. It was an interesting transitional period before pretty much everything kids did, for fun or otherwise, was on a computer or personal device.
Today, it seems that some…I say SOME because I don’t want to generalize…but some younger people feel that “all things” have “always been” according to their own experience. They were born with a smartphone in their hand…wasn’t everyone? They’ve always had the internet…hasn’t everyone always had the internet? Their folks bought them a brand new, or at least a very nice used car when they were 16…didn’t everyone?
To many, I am one of those younger people, but I noticed about 17 years ago that I had more rapport with someone born in 1912 than my own brother 10 years my junior.
While we’re both technically Millennials, I’m more a Gen-Xer and him a Gen-Z. Indeed, my dad and I are like peers, and my poor brother feels like he can’t relate to us. There’s a huge generation gap. It’s a gap I hope to close, and I’m sure it will with time.
Point being, I think wheel-guns represent an extremely antiquated way of doing things that most younger folks are many times removed from. And just imagine being 21, walking into a gun shop looking for your first handgun…You see a 9mm Springfield XD for $650 new, $400 used. Want more power? Fine, XD 10mm for about the same price. Now you see a S&W 629 for $1,150… “DANG really??…isn’t that just an old cowboy gun??? Pass…”
To me, an N-Frame 44 Special or M1917 is the bees knees, but most of my friends my age and even older who shoot don’t even know what those guns are. Things are changing, and the revolver, along with the 44 Mag, fills a niche that gets a little narrower each passing year.
What are your thoughts?
Somebody HAS done it. Like most things, it's not so much CAN you, but should you.Be sure to let me know how that works out for you. I'll wait here.
Rick
I'm not advocating using a .44-40 cartridge in a .44 Mag! It won't fit, for one thing. But loading smokeless powder cartridges with black powder is not unheard of.I certainly have read that but I am usure if it is true. I actually saw one of them used in the Dirty Harry movie but it was behind glass so I couldn't open it to check the model #
Riposte
I'm not a one gun man but I am a one caliber man with one set-up. 44 Mag/Spl. (5) Magnums rifle/revolvers, (4) Specials revolvers. The 22's don't count.Beware the one-gun man, you can have a pistol and rifle and only need one reloading setup.
I think the legalization of straight walled cartridges has had some impact on the deer hunting here in Ohio, but the .44 is here to stay.
I remember when Smith & Wessons were priced much more friendly. Back in 2005 I paid $275 for my first revolver…Smith model 13-2 in really good condition! Great gun, great shooter! For the next 12 years it seemed Smiths could be had for decent prices, ala near new model 28-2 for $450 out the door. Heck, I paid $550 for a 629-4, used but in pristine condition in 2012. Picked up a 95% Colt M-1917 for $450 from a pawn shop in 2015. Each one of those guns now would probably be $650 to $1000. In fact I sold the Colt (wish I hadn’t) for $1000 a couple years ago. Revolvers have really gone up, which doesn’t help when someone only has $500 to spend. I know everything’s gotten more expensive, but double the price for a used gun in less than 10 years??I see where you're coming from, but I remember going to gun shows just as the glock (doesn't deserve a capital "G") craze really took hold and one was hard pressed to find even a high-end new Smith for over $400-$500, no matter the model or caliber. Things have clearly changed a lot since then and I think one factor is that younger serious shooters are looking around and and realizing that there are much better offerings than stuff built out of plastic.
IMO, the success of any quality handgun in the marketplace will come down more to economic conditions than anything else. If inflation continues unchecked, that places a higher burden on *all* builders of quality firearms, especially those that are expensive to feed. But as long as there are enough folks out there with sufficient discretionary funds to afford quality firearms, I think the market in general will remain healthy.
As to .44 Magnum specifically, I can't see it going anywhere any time soon. I'm sure its market has cooled somewhat after the introduction of rounds like the .454, but with its long history and better controllability, I can't imagine the .44 going anywhere any time soon.
Or, to put it another way, the .41 Magnum is still with us (unfortunately, not as strongly as many of us would want), and I think it'd be considered a far more "at-risk" caliber than the .44.
What we need to do is put together a consortium funded by enthusiasts to start making decent ammo at decent prices, so it's easier for the average guy to enjoy offbeat calibers. It can't cost *that much more* to make .41 or .44 ammo as it does to make 9 mm ammo, as long as you're set up for it and you're not trying to pay off your lake house with profits from non-standard (other than 9 mm) ammo. I keep thinking it's possible to profit on non-standard calibers while selling noticeably below current market prices, but I've never done a deep dive into dollars and cents of doing that.
Still, at today's prices one can't help but wonder if the large delta between 9 mm and other calibers is truly justified.
Anyway, the .44 ain't going anywhere in for a while. Firearms bans are a far bigger threat to the .44 than market forces, and those may happen a lot sooner than many of us expect. :-(
Agreed , I still see more large bore revolvers in 44 mag than all other big bore handgun calibers combined in the gun shops I visit. And in lever guns seems like there the demand is really there and again I seen more 44 mag rifles in shops than any other large bore handgun cartridge. As to 44 mag factory ammo it has been decades since I bought any , been reloading it for close to 40 years now.The “Dirty Harry” thing isn’t much of a thing anymore, but if you look at the amount of 44 Mag revolvers that sell weekly on Gunbroker, and the prices people pay for them, there’s still a healthy market for them. I’m an Elmer Keith, 44 Special/Mag fan, and most 44 revolvers sell for a lot more than I’m willing to pay. I think that says something, and more than that I’m just cheap. As long as people are still interested in spending time in the woods we’ll have the 44 Mag.
Re-load. Buy used dies and molds. Use the cheapest components you can find. Lots of "open" powder lots from swap meets. Use magnum brass not "special". Load to "special" specs. Use "coated" lead bullets. Cast from scrap lead and do your own coating.SGAMMO has 44 Magnum also 44 Special which you can run in same gun.