quote----------------This has been addressed before. The 1911 was originally chambered in .45acp.-----------quoteIn my research, I wasn’t able to find a single documented case of a LEO being killed due to running out of ammo in a 1911. Could you share the details of some of these “Too many dead cops” that you referenced?
It would be a strange machine gunner that also packed a Thompson. Way too heavy considering the rest of his loadout. In the rare instances that a gunner packed a second gun, it would almost always be a 1911.
A 9mm Thompson would be even stranger.
This has been addressed before. The 1911 was originally chambered in .45acp.
If it was addressed they were wrong. Browning was told the .38 caliber was not acceptable and that they were looking for a .45 caliber. It is true Brownings pre-1911 guns i.e. the 1900 and 1902 were .38 ACP went through various changes before it became the 1911 including not even having a manual safety but Browning never intended the gun to be a .45 caliber he had to do it to get the military contract.
quote-------------It would be a strange machine gunner that also packed a Thompson. Way too heavy considering the rest of his loadout. In the rare instances that a gunner packed a second gun, it would almost always be a 1911.----------quote
You misunderstood my post. I should have worded it differently. What I was trying to convey is that a soldier using a Thompson chambered for the 9x19 would have been able to carry twice the amount of ammunition compared to the 45 acp, would have had a much more controllable weapon in full auto fire, had flatter trajectory because of the increased muzzle velocity, therefore a higher hit probability, and more penetration as well. Because if all thus it was no accident most of the WWII machine guns were 9mm and not .45 acp. simply because the 9mm was the better sub-machine gun cartridge hands down.
quote--------------In my research, I wasn’t able to find a single documented case of a LEO being killed due to running out of ammo in a 1911. Could you share the details of some of these “Too many dead cops” that you referenced?--------quote
And you did not research very well either as I remember reading one of the reasons cops had to all use the same 9mm caliber guns is that when they were allowed to carry any caliber they wanted (read that 45 acp) there were fire fights with cops that ran out of ammo and had empty guns and could not borrow a loaded magazine from their fellow cop that was there with them and did not run out of ammo because they had high capacity pistols in 9mm.
Common sense would indicate that survival in a gun fight is on the side of the 9mm shooter who unleashes a steady stream of 16 or more rounds of firepower compared to the cop that is now standing there with an empty 7 round magazine in his gun necessitating a reload under high stress when every nano second counts when you have an empty gun in your hand and bullets are whizzing past your ears.
And did I mention multiple assailments. Again Firepower wins and has a much better survival rate when "more" than one guy is shooting at you. Its no mystery why cops went to high capacity 9mm pistols.
The archaic 1911 comes up short in every way, less firepower, excess recoil, excess weight, and way less reliability with exotic expanding ammo, and you can carry twice the ammo with a 9mm because of the size and less weight.
Its also no mystery why the FN 9mm High Power pistol in WWII was the most coveted pistol not only in the European Theater but even in the Asian Theater as well. It was firepower. One Japanese Air Force General was persuaded to "not" return home at the end of WWII but to stay on in China to help train its air force by being bribed with an Inglis High Power Pistol.
