Break out the Popcorn and let's have a serious discussion...Best 380

Only ran 3 magazines through one as it was a "no buy" for me. The rest of my time was tearing it apart and seeing how its designed. Shooting wise they are fine. Great ergos as is the norm on S&W. I didnt have problems manipulating its but I have strong hands from things like sports and metal work. I can see where people are struggling with these though. My main carry for this type are Makarovs and Keltec P11 style which all have 20# springs or more so stiff slide dont bother me.

I wasnt mine so I wasnt adjusting the sights. POI was a little to the left but the group itself was fine at 15 Yards or so. I downloaded the 10 round magazine to 9 because IMO they are overstating capacity on these even though I can mash in a 10th round. They are more reliable as a 9+1. Ist hangup was at the end of the ist magazine. 2nd was at the begining of magazine 3. From what I could tell it was a tight extractor.. could just need breaking in though because these pistols are oversprung by necessity.

Biggest hitch is the cleaning. Cant clean that striker (A necessity with all strikers is that they are kept CLEAN) without removal of the sight which then requires a re-zero. As they are they are the best feeling in the hand of all the small 380s and trigger is nice enough. I liked the original bodyguard as well in terms of ergos and I while the trigger was a true DAO (which people cant seem to handle these days) it also had a second strike and overall was a better pistol in terms of a true pocket gun. 2.0 is more like a Subcompact 380acp people would use in things like a bug match. I cant see being able to carry one of these in a pocket without it being obvious.

As far as a range plinker though I really like it. Not convinced they are durable longterm but as long as people keep the springs fresh it should be able to mitigate things... NO HOT LOADS. These 2.0 are not Beretta Pico, Kahr P380, Glock 42, or Ruger LC380 (NOT LCP).

Most will probably fall in love with these one they figure them out. Best thing I would say is break it in. After breakin to check for any issues.. send your magazines out to get NP3 coated so they are as slick as possible. Then keep springs fresh all around. I would do complete spring changes every 1-1.5K rounds. They are extremely light and riding close threshold in terms of durability. Keeping the striker channel clean and the pistols over all very clean is going to be mandatory. Just take a scribe and mark your rear sight so you can index it back to POI when you have to remove it. Besides spare spring to keep on hand I would also get spare magazine followers because they are pretty flimsy for the amount of strain they are under in that magazine. Its not a good magazine design and I cant tell just from the internals they were struggling to make them work.

Im back and forth on weather I will ever get one. Perhaps when they are cheap and people are dumping them IDK. I would have to be able to source a lot of spare parts and be willing to remove the rear sight after every range trip so it would involve loosening the fit of the rear and locking it down with a set screw indexed into a divot on the slide under the sight. Might be worth the work though for the ergos because as I said they feel really great.

Easiest way I could see around the striker cleaning issue would be simply to cut a dovetail further forward on the slide for the rear sight and just make a plate for the existing rear dovetail that is easily removable to get to that striker removal. Magazine, Striker, and Extractor are basically the most important areas to keep clean on any Striker pistol. Hammer fired guns are much more forgiving in the FP area.

Keep a CCW pistol clean is MUCH more important than range or hunting pistols. S&W design team dropped the ball on these pistols IMO. All modern trikers need to have easily accesable Strikers and channels for cleaning. Mossberg Mc1SC is a good example as seen here.



I know they want to keep cost low on the bodyguard but they are running 400-$500 so S&W need to do more on their end. They also need to be nickel coating their magazine tubes if they are struggling that much to keep the run speed up with the cycle time of the action. Ideally they shoukld have added some weight to the slide buit its obviopus they were going for EXTREME weightloss. Anything to add weight to that slide is going to help on the consumer end. Its a lot easier to pull off this kind of ultralight slide with a single stack magazine beacuse single stacks have very little friction and dont need to keep shifting cartridges around in the magazine. That 1.5 stack magtube design brings in a lot of problems.... always has. Russians went through it with the Makarove and had to resore to basically a two tier follower system with two independent springs and even the springs are very different and they are more like a normal recoil spring as to not have weakpoints.

Russian Double Stack Makarov Magazines shown below along with the Shield 2.0
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And the Bodyguard 2.0 Magazine design.
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S&W is trying to work voodoo magic with their bottleneck magazines in terms of both the followers and the springs. The more complicated a spting is the more they fail and that Spring is a hot mess. One the springs start becoming compromised so does follower stability. Its going to be extremely important to keep the magazines clean and springs fresh. Maxing out the load to 10 rounds is going to make it worse which is why I went with 9 on the 2.0 I shot (First thing I did when it was handed to me was tear it apart specifically the magazine). I didnt have my scale on me unfortunately to weigh the slide but its EXTREMELY Light which mean FAST, FAST, FAST cycle on a tilting barrel lock design.

Im not surprised so many people have had problems with them. Im not going to bash S&W because IMO they are a good company that stands behind their products and doest the right thing for the consumer but they rushed this and didnt test it properly. The design needs more work. Whomever green lit the final version 2.0 doesnt understand basic fireams fundamentals. Theres a lot of bad choices made throughout the course of this design.

Of course right now people are in love with them but thats just how the firearms market is now online because there are fanboys, industry insiders, bots, and everything else online.

If S&W was going to stick to a tiliting lockup they need to increase mass on the slide. No way around it. I would say overall the pistols are underbuilt, Oversprung (Because they are underbuilt), Non maintinance friendly (Which is silly for a CCW), and a rushed and poorly thought out product interms of producing an all time great pistol. They likely saw the massive sales on the Ruger LCP Max (also poor design IMO) and just rushed this to market through designs basically done by computer programs and not actually tested. This would explain how they have had to try to MAKE it function with crazy spring weights.

Lots of pistols are finicky beasts though. I have bug 9mm pistols I wont even shoot standard 115gr in and have to instead run 100gr loads closer to a 380acp+p level in terms of power. One of them is even a S&W. I still like it.

Bodyguard 2.0 is going to be a sensetive pistol to everything being clean and working perfectly though for performance. Theres basically no margin for error on it.

Hello Dangerman,

I bought my BG2 in August of 2024. The chamber feed ramp had been polished. I have 537 rounds of 12 different bullets through it now without a failure. Out of the box I experienced most of the long list of issues that many owners have experienced. Why would S&W sell a new handgun with the front and rear sights abnormally skewed? Out of the box it still shoots low/left. It covers up what I suspect is a major quality failure… there is an alignment problem with the barrel, slide, and grip module. I suspect that my BG2 has a lockup issue as well. I have recently viewed only one YT review that stated he suspects a lockup issue.

Wow… your interesting commentary is a lot for me to digest. Your perspective at only 3 mags of shooting would be too short for me to evaluate “shootability”, but I have a limited experience. I’ve owned firearms since 1978. Over the past 6-1/2 years I have gone to the range once or twice a month and shot over 60 different firearms. However, what I know about striker fired pistol engineering and design wouldn’t make a little pimple on Bruce Gray’s butt.

Your comments appear somewhat hyper analytical, but that’s better than superficial conjecture. There are statements I disagree with you on and there are some that I do agree.

Yes, S&W really dropped the ball on this one. It could have been the “Handgun of the Decade”. There’s no such thing as “voodoo magic” when designing and manufacturing a defense carry firearm. It is very difficult to understand how S&W could have fubar’d it with blatant failures in design and quality. Regarding quality and reliability, my defense carry will never see 2,000 rounds.

I find that adequately cleaning the striker channel is not difficult at all. Drifting the rear sight off the slide to remove the striker is NOT going to happen unless a parts replacement is necessary. Keeping the striker channel clean takes only a minute. However, the area that gets really full of ammo residue, in less than 50 rounds, is the extractor. It takes several minutes to get that little bugger clean.

I would not go the expense of NP3 coating the mags, a $13 can of Tri-Flow Teflon Spray Lubricant will last me the rest of my life.

For me there’s only one reason to go with a 380 caliber over the popular 9mm… concealability and to pocket carry (less weight, smaller size). For example, for defense carries over 16 ozs, I would choose a 9mm Sig Sauer P365 Micro over a S&W BG2 380 for all the ballistics reasons.

My BG2 with 9 rounds in the 10-round mag, with the Viridian Green Laser is 15.0 ozs. It is very comfortable to pocket carry. In the right pants or cargo shorts, it does not get my attention.

My P365 Micro with 10-rounds in the 10-round mag, with the Sig Lima Laser is 1.0 lbs. 7.3 ozs. Not comfortable to pocket carry, and constantly lets me know “I’m right here”. It would be OWB holstered.

Knowing what I know now and having experienced my BG2, I would happily pay extra $$$ for the option offered by a reputable firearms manufacturer to hand pick parts, verify tolerances, test, and hand assemble, and test fire 25 rounds of 3 common self-defense ammos to prove out-of-the-box accuracy and reliability.

The cost of my defense carry will NEVER be greater than the cost of my failure to save my life or the life of a loved one due to a Failure To Fire.

Everything has a trade-off…. With all the available options, it’s the user’s choice.

That's just my worthless opinion. :)
 
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Have owned several .380's over the years and sent them all but one down the road . Currently have a gen II LCP that I got for very little with 4 magazines . It is so easy to carry that it is easy to forget it's in your pocket . It has come near to being sent thru the washing machine more than once. I looked at the micro Kimber and Sig 1911's but decided when and if I buy one of those that it will be in 9mm rather than .380 as there is so little difference in size between the two. Probably will not buy one because I don't much care for the idea of carrying cocked and locked in my pocket. Also the safety is a bit small for my hands. I have the parts to make my Beretta 81BB a .380 but have never bothered to change it out because it shoots so well in .32 acp .
 
Hello Dangerman,

I bought my BG2 in August of 2024. The chamber feed ramp had been polished. I have 537 rounds of 12 different bullets through it now without a failure. Out of the box I experienced most of the long list of issues that many owners have experienced. Why would S&W sell a new handgun with the front and rear sights abnormally skewed? Out of the box it still shoots low/left. It covers up what I suspect is a major quality failure… there is an alignment problem with the barrel, slide, and grip module. I suspect that my BG2 has a lockup issue as well. I have recently viewed only one YT review that stated he suspects a lockup issue.

Wow… your interesting commentary is a lot for me to digest. Your perspective at only 3 mags of shooting would be too short for me to evaluate “shootability”, but I have a limited experience. I’ve owned firearms since 1978. Over the past 6-1/2 years I have gone to the range once or twice a month and shot over 60 different firearms. However, what I know about striker fired pistol engineering and design wouldn’t make a little pimple on Bruce Gray’s butt.

Your comments appear somewhat hyper analytical, but that’s better than superficial conjecture. There are statements I disagree with you on and there are some that I do agree.

Yes, S&W really dropped the ball on this one. It could have been the “Handgun of the Decade”. There’s no such thing as “voodoo magic” when designing and manufacturing a defense carry firearm. It is very difficult to understand how S&W could have fubar’d it with blatant failures in design and quality. Regarding quality and reliability, my defense carry will never see 2,000 rounds.

I find that adequately cleaning the striker channel is not difficult at all. Drifting the rear sight off the slide to remove the striker is NOT going to happen unless a parts replacement is necessary. Keeping the striker channel clean takes only a minute. However, the area that gets really full of ammo residue, in less than 50 rounds, is the extractor. It takes several minutes to get that little bugger clean.

I would not go the expense of NP3 coating the mags, a $13 can of Tri-Flow Teflon Spray Lubricant will last me the rest of my life.

For me there’s only one reason to go with a 380 caliber over the popular 9mm… concealability and to pocket carry (less weight, smaller size). For example, for defense carries over 16 ozs, I would choose a 9mm Sig Sauer P365 Micro over a S&W BG2 380 for all the ballistics reasons.

My BG2 with 9 rounds in the 10-round mag, with the Viridian Green Laser is 15.0 ozs. It is very comfortable to pocket carry. In the right pants or cargo shorts, it does not get my attention.

My P365 Micro with 10-rounds in the 10-round mag, with the Sig Lima Laser is 1.0 lbs. 7.3 ozs. Not comfortable to pocket carry, and constantly lets me know “I’m right here”. It would be OWB holstered.

Knowing what I know now and having experienced my BG2, I would happily pay extra $$$ for the option offered by a reputable firearms manufacturer to hand pick parts, verify tolerances, test, and hand assemble, and test fire 25 rounds of 3 common self-defense ammos to prove out-of-the-box accuracy and reliability.

The cost of my defense carry will NEVER be greater than the cost of my failure to save my life or the life of a loved one due to a Failure To Fire.

Everything has a trade-off…. With all the available options, it’s the user’s choice.

That's just my worthless opinion. :)
Nothing worthless there about your take on things. Yes Im analytical. I tend to study nerw designs and work through the angles. Rear sight removal is still the biggest deal killer for me because Im not a fan of how Strikers get so dirty in those FP channels and Ive seen way too many modern strikers get touchy when those channels are not clean and dry. Whenever someone brings me a malfunctioning striker pistol the first two areas I clean are the ignition system and the extractor. This is assuming the magazines are "somewhat clean" but these days most firearms owners/CCW carriers are slobs. Strikers are nice because they are so simple but they still need to be cleaned and PM performed.

Bodyguard 2.0 magazines are a hot mess IMO. Strange that S&W will put a slick nickel coating on their lowest budget pistol in the SD9 2.0 (whichg is an excellent pistol) but they cheaped out on the Bodyguard 2.0 Magazines even though they overpriced it.

My opinion has not changed on these pistols since that last post. Since that post Ive shot another one. About the same overall although the repeatable accuracy in the last one I shot was all over the place. Im not real crazy about the lockup on the bodyguard 2.0. Seems sloppy and inconsistent. My SCCY CPX in 380 has better accuracy. Biggest difference between the two in terms of mechanical accuracy seems to be the barrel lockup. This was a side by side comparison though along with a couple other 380s.

Tri-flow is a good tip. Its a wet lube though. Probably fine in non dusty environments. Normally I tell people to try Graphite lube or Molybdenum disulfide because they are dry lubricants and dont attract gunk in carry pistols or "Car guns" etc. I would think most people in this forum know to keep their firearms clean though let alone the magazines.

Have not picked up and S&Ws lately but Ive been looking at Shields a lot lately just have not made up my mind on Caliber.. Likely will get a 45acp Shield although my next Smith will likely be the SD9 2.0 (which is a Sigma) because it will outperform most other similar priced pistols in that field. I still think the Sigma/SD series are the best of the S&W pistols overall because S&W isnt overpricing them like they seem to do the other newer pistols and that Sigma/SD series is on its 5th Generation now with the 2.0.

Latest purchases have mainly been abandoned pistols by the fad buying crowd dumping them for around $150 . I pick them up because Im curious sometimes if I have the time to start disecting therm and tersting. Ruger Security 9 has been the biggest surprise because they always looked like garbage to me until I started shooting one a bit. Ruger ran that pistol through the paces because it refuses to malfunction. Smaller CCW wise the Taurus G3c has been the best performer lately although I like the latest version of Beretta's Nano (APX carry) more just because I like a nice Beretta.

Just to many issues on the bodyguard 2.0 for me to want to deal with right now. Pretty sure I could loosen up that rear sight and make it index along with a set screw so I could get propper access for cleaning and PM but is just not a priority and until the next fad pistol comes along people will remain stubborn before dumping them like they do everything else. I was offered a used one with around a 200 round break in period on the frame for $300 but turned it down. Jusat didnt feel like messing with it. I think S&W needs to have another go at the Bodyguard 2.0 design and better deal with some of its quirks. Its really a 1.0 aftertall. Bodyguard 2.0 is nothing like the 1.0 in terms of design. S&W really needs some new blood in the marketing department. The should have called it the FireCracker or maybe the FIST. Even the S&W "Pocket Rocket" would have been better.

Positives - If you are in love with a pistol you will see past MANY shortcommings and just learn to accept them. Bodyguard 2.0 feels great in the hand and in terms of recoil impulse I think they are one of the best of the small double stack pocket style autos. There are others I like more but they are a little larger and built on different designs. Im also extremely picky on pistols I will carry because they have to meet my personal standards and as I said that lack of access to the ignition system is the deal killer for me on the 2.0.

I am looking for another "Pocket" pistol though right now. Pretty sure it will be the Diamondback DB9G4 9mm. Its basically the same size as the 2.0 with the DB9 flush fit Magazine and its rated for +p 9mm even though Ill just run standard loads in it. One I shot recently was accurate and had zero issues with reliability/function. Upon taking it apart the build quality was extremely high. No issues with cleaning access or PM either. I dont get hung up on capacity as much as other people because I always carry spare magazines. Reliability, Accuracy etc take priority because for me a reload is a LOT faster than clearing a malfunction and all the Bodyguard 2.0s Ive shot as of now could be tempermental for one reason or another which included.. Light Strikes, Extraction, Feeding (double ramp culprit there) and poor Magazine design. DB9 is just a simple single stack 6rd 9mm magazine and single stack is basically the most reliable magazine design ever invented. IMO S&W became so obsessed with Specs that they overcomplicated the Bodyguard 2.0. Ruger kept it more simple with the LCP max they just dropped the ball with the QC. I also still thing Ruger really screwed the pooch not making that LCP Max with a steel subframe instead of Aluminum like on the LCP and LCP II. Magazines for the LCP max are also crap like the 2.0.
This is all me just being a demanding consumer though. Average person does not care as long as they have the "New Thing". Most dont even shoot let alone clean or have to fix pistols. Firearms industry is trending downward now as well so I expect all these manufacturers will be tightening up thier product lines and discontinueing a lot of their lineup. The typical marketing of creating a sense of urgency or "panic" isnt working anymore I dont think we will be getting back to things like quality and craftsmenship anytime soon. If S&W is smart they will start slashing their retail prices while there is still a demographic out their with spendable income because thats all going bye bye very soon. There are not a whole lot of American Manufacturers left anymore either and the last thing we need is to lose another major one so hopefully S&W have some people paying attention to world trends and where things are heading. Right now its basically S&W and Ruger. Ruger is playing the market smart right now with their latest offering of the Max9 along with the RXM and the Security series but S&W is still thinking they are H&K now (even though H&K has come down on prices).
 
Nothing worthless there about your take on things. Yes Im analytical. I tend to study nerw designs and work through the angles. Rear sight removal is still the biggest deal killer for me because Im not a fan of how Strikers get so dirty in those FP channels and Ive seen way too many modern strikers get touchy when those channels are not clean and dry. Whenever someone brings me a malfunctioning striker pistol the first two areas I clean are the ignition system and the extractor. This is assuming the magazines are "somewhat clean" but these days most firearms owners/CCW carriers are slobs. Strikers are nice because they are so simple but they still need to be cleaned and PM performed.

Bodyguard 2.0 magazines are a hot mess IMO. Strange that S&W will put a slick nickel coating on their lowest budget pistol in the SD9 2.0 (whichg is an excellent pistol) but they cheaped out on the Bodyguard 2.0 Magazines even though they overpriced it.

My opinion has not changed on these pistols since that last post. Since that post Ive shot another one. About the same overall although the repeatable accuracy in the last one I shot was all over the place. Im not real crazy about the lockup on the bodyguard 2.0. Seems sloppy and inconsistent. My SCCY CPX in 380 has better accuracy. Biggest difference between the two in terms of mechanical accuracy seems to be the barrel lockup. This was a side by side comparison though along with a couple other 380s.

Tri-flow is a good tip. Its a wet lube though. Probably fine in non dusty environments. Normally I tell people to try Graphite lube or Molybdenum disulfide because they are dry lubricants and dont attract gunk in carry pistols or "Car guns" etc. I would think most people in this forum know to keep their firearms clean though let alone the magazines.

Have not picked up and S&Ws lately but Ive been looking at Shields a lot lately just have not made up my mind on Caliber.. Likely will get a 45acp Shield although my next Smith will likely be the SD9 2.0 (which is a Sigma) because it will outperform most other similar priced pistols in that field. I still think the Sigma/SD series are the best of the S&W pistols overall because S&W isnt overpricing them like they seem to do the other newer pistols and that Sigma/SD series is on its 5th Generation now with the 2.0.

Latest purchases have mainly been abandoned pistols by the fad buying crowd dumping them for around $150 . I pick them up because Im curious sometimes if I have the time to start disecting therm and tersting. Ruger Security 9 has been the biggest surprise because they always looked like garbage to me until I started shooting one a bit. Ruger ran that pistol through the paces because it refuses to malfunction. Smaller CCW wise the Taurus G3c has been the best performer lately although I like the latest version of Beretta's Nano (APX carry) more just because I like a nice Beretta.

Just to many issues on the bodyguard 2.0 for me to want to deal with right now. Pretty sure I could loosen up that rear sight and make it index along with a set screw so I could get propper access for cleaning and PM but is just not a priority and until the next fad pistol comes along people will remain stubborn before dumping them like they do everything else. I was offered a used one with around a 200 round break in period on the frame for $300 but turned it down. Jusat didnt feel like messing with it. I think S&W needs to have another go at the Bodyguard 2.0 design and better deal with some of its quirks. Its really a 1.0 aftertall. Bodyguard 2.0 is nothing like the 1.0 in terms of design. S&W really needs some new blood in the marketing department. The should have called it the FireCracker or maybe the FIST. Even the S&W "Pocket Rocket" would have been better.

Positives - If you are in love with a pistol you will see past MANY shortcommings and just learn to accept them. Bodyguard 2.0 feels great in the hand and in terms of recoil impulse I think they are one of the best of the small double stack pocket style autos. There are others I like more but they are a little larger and built on different designs. Im also extremely picky on pistols I will carry because they have to meet my personal standards and as I said that lack of access to the ignition system is the deal killer for me on the 2.0.

I am looking for another "Pocket" pistol though right now. Pretty sure it will be the Diamondback DB9G4 9mm. Its basically the same size as the 2.0 with the DB9 flush fit Magazine and its rated for +p 9mm even though Ill just run standard loads in it. One I shot recently was accurate and had zero issues with reliability/function. Upon taking it apart the build quality was extremely high. No issues with cleaning access or PM either. I dont get hung up on capacity as much as other people because I always carry spare magazines. Reliability, Accuracy etc take priority because for me a reload is a LOT faster than clearing a malfunction and all the Bodyguard 2.0s Ive shot as of now could be tempermental for one reason or another which included.. Light Strikes, Extraction, Feeding (double ramp culprit there) and poor Magazine design. DB9 is just a simple single stack 6rd 9mm magazine and single stack is basically the most reliable magazine design ever invented. IMO S&W became so obsessed with Specs that they overcomplicated the Bodyguard 2.0. Ruger kept it more simple with the LCP max they just dropped the ball with the QC. I also still thing Ruger really screwed the pooch not making that LCP Max with a steel subframe instead of Aluminum like on the LCP and LCP II. Magazines for the LCP max are also crap like the 2.0.
This is all me just being a demanding consumer though. Average person does not care as long as they have the "New Thing". Most dont even shoot let alone clean or have to fix pistols. Firearms industry is trending downward now as well so I expect all these manufacturers will be tightening up thier product lines and discontinueing a lot of their lineup. The typical marketing of creating a sense of urgency or "panic" isnt working anymore I dont think we will be getting back to things like quality and craftsmenship anytime soon. If S&W is smart they will start slashing their retail prices while there is still a demographic out their with spendable income because thats all going bye bye very soon. There are not a whole lot of American Manufacturers left anymore either and the last thing we need is to lose another major one so hopefully S&W have some people paying attention to world trends and where things are heading. Right now its basically S&W and Ruger. Ruger is playing the market smart right now with their latest offering of the Max9 along with the RXM and the Security series but S&W is still thinking they are H&K now (even though H&K has come down on prices).
“Strikers are nice because they are so simple but they still need to be cleaned and PM performed.”

Hello Dangerman,

I appreciate your commentary and your industry and technical knowledge. Again, you posted a lot for me to digest.

I’ve been accused of being too analytical and overly inquisitive. I carefully clean and inspect my firearms after every use. Out of my 11 other range buddies, I’m the only one who is that “anal”.

For firearms, we definitely need more “demanding consumers”. Regarding S&W getting smart or changing the way they’ve been doing business, I don’t expect someone there to experience an epiphany and suddenly start offering what we really want.

I agree that S&W messed up on the BG2. The list of “fixes” I’ve had to go through makes me unsure if it’s the right defense carry for me. The knurled pressed-in guide rod end cap is a design disaster waiting to happen. The guide rod spring should have had a washer under it like the Sig P365. I can only get 9 in the 10-round mag and 11 in the 12-round mag. The sights are almost worthless. When I first benched it at 21 feet, I was blown away how inaccurate it was. That’s when I suspected a barrel lockup issue. But in all the posts and review videos I’ve read and watched since August of 2024, only you, and one YT reviewer even mentioned his concern for accuracy and a suspected lockup issue. It has a nice feel for being so small, but it is a little snappy and double taps are iffy so far. I have the Viridian green laser on it now and that is primary to test the accuracy and my ability.

It’s a point ‘n shoot defense carry for me. If I can hit the C-zone a couple times at 25 yards, I’m OK with that. I would like to double tap a head shot at 12 and 21 feet, like I can with my P365..

I really like the size and weight and being able to pocket carry, but I’m not at 100% yet. I plan to go to 1000 rounds and see how it works.

I am very curious if another manufacturer is going to introduce a pocket carry in a sub-16 ozs 380 or 9mm. I do like the specs on the Diamondback DB9 Gen4. Our range day is this Saturday. I will see if the range has a Diamondback I can try, or just fondle it.

If my confidence in my BG2 turns out to be less than 100%, it will be my only S&W purchase. There are several other handguns I will consider for a pocket defense carry.

Strikers may be simple, but apparently S&W, and few others, have a really hard time with “simple”.:unsure:
 
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“Strikers are nice because they are so simple but they still need to be cleaned and PM performed.”

Hello Dangerman,

I appreciate your commentary and your industry and technical knowledge. Again, you posted a lot for me to digest.

I’ve been accused of being too analytical and overly inquisitive. I carefully clean and inspect my firearms after every use. Out of my 11 other range buddies, I’m the only one who is that “anal”.

For firearms, we definitely need more “demanding consumers”. Regarding S&W getting smart or changing the way they’ve been doing business, I don’t expect someone there to experience an epiphany and suddenly start offering what we really want.

I agree that S&W messed up on the BG2. The list of “fixes” I’ve had to go through makes my unsure if it’s the right defense carry for me. The knurled pressed-in guide rod end cap is a design disaster waiting to happen. The guide rod spring should have had a washer under it like the Sig P365. I can only get 9 in the 10-round mag and 11 in the 12-round mag. The sights are almost worthless. When I first benched it at 21 feet, I was blown away how inaccurate it was. That’s when I suspected a barrel lockup issue. But in all the posts and review videos I’ve read and watched since August of 2024, only you, and one YT reviewer even mentioned his concern for accuracy and a suspected lockup issue. It has a nice feel for being so small, but it is a little snappy and double taps are iffy so far. I have the Viridian green laser on it now and that is primary to test the accuracy and my ability.

It’s a point ‘n shoot defense carry for me. If I can hit the C-zone a couple times at 25 yards, I’m OK with that. I would like to double tap a head shot at 12 and 21 feet, like I can with my P365..

I really like the size and weight and being able to pocket carry, but I’m not at 100% yet. I plan to go to 1000 rounds and see how it works.

I am very curious if another manufacturer is going to introduce a pocket carry in a sub-16 ozs 380 or 9mm. I do like the specs on the Diamondback DB9 Gen4. Our range day is this Saturday. I will see if the range has a Diamondback I can try, or just fondle it.

If my confidence in my BG2 turns out to be less than 100%, it will be my only S&W purchase. There are several other handguns I will consider for a pocket defense carry.

Strikers may be simple, but apparently S&W, and few others, have a really hard time with “simple”.:unsure:
Diamondback 9mm is not going to be as comfortable as the Bodyguard 2.0 obvioussly. I ran 100Gr Atlanta, 100Gr Hornady light, 115 and 124gr American eagle through it though and didnt think it was that bad. Its crazy small and light for a 9mm though. Normally I would say stick to 380acop in a pistol like that or even 32acp but the Diamondback being rated for +p 9mm always got my attention. The only other pistol in this range I can think of is the Kahr PM9 and that is a tiny 9mm rated for +p as well.

These two 9mm IMO are two standouts. Both capable of +P 9mm which is a tribute to their strength of design and both the same size if not smaller than something like a Bodyguard 2.0. Im a fan of Kahr pistols as well the diamondback is just lesser known. Kahrs sometimes need a decent breaking as they are tight but that Diamondback ran fine and it ws new. I think the Kahr is probably built better for the longterm because they are known for high roundcounts. Ive shot both the Pm9 and CM9 Kahrs though and these little monster 9mms are something you just get use to after a while. I stiull the the Keltec P11 is the tops for a Pocket 9 because its tough, light, true DAO, and reliable but that trigger overtravel has always been a killer so if people never try a trigger with an overtravel screw they basically never become accurate with them.

All these tiny 9mms are "service friendly" though so theres no reason it cant be done with a lower presure 380acp that really isnt any smaller. Im glad the Bodyguard 2.0 has developed such a buzz and a following because it should result in S&W doing another version of the Bodyguard once the sales slow down. Basically they just come out with one that has better sights, more maintinance friendly in terms of cleaning, maybe some better accuacy, and call it a 3.0 even though it will really be a 2.0. Then S&W can enjoy new sales because it will fix whatever complaints people have on the 2.0. Obvioussly needs some wings on that slide as well so its easier for people to rack the slide. Ideally being a pocket gun they should have a second strike but I dont see that happening unless they go to a dual sear setup of some sort like is on the past Taurus strikers. Problem there is it complicates the design and s&w is better off sticking with Simple on something like this.

I would dodge S&W all together though if the Bodyguard 2.0 doesnt work for you. Im a pretty big proponent of the Sigms/SD series and the Shields. M&Ps IMO are overpriced for what they are but they are very nice. Im amazed the SD9 2.0 isnt talked about more here because its basically a reliable as any sigma has ever been with a striker trigger that like your basic Glock trigger. I like heavier triggers on CCW pistols but everyones gripe with the Sigma has always been that the trigger was just SOOOOO impossible to manage. I shot the equalizer a bit... didnt do much for me. EZ9 was OK but I still think for the Subcompact the S&W Shield is where its at. 9mm, 40, or 45acp so you can get any basic caliber you want. I know people have this thing now where they think they all need tiny little pistols but unless people have to go deep concelament or carry a secondary I think they are overthinking things and getting sucked into hype. HOWEVER... unless S&W has changed something the Shield ALSO has to have the rear sight remover to access striker. Its just a DUMB design they always stick with. Sigmas DO NOT require the rear sight removal nonsense. M&P doesnt either. This is some numbnuts on the design team that started this and its carried on since then.

All that being said Im also not shy about not being a massive fan of pocket carry for reasons Ive talked about here before despite people wanting to ignore basic logic and start crap over it. Its just not a real secure and easy to access mode of carry unless conditions are ideal like standing in front of a target.

I would keep with the 2.0 now though and just work through whatever issues you may encounter. Seems like they are durable enough. I have not heard of major parts breakages. Everyhing seems to be more about tuning them up assuming people are being honest online. I wouldnt expect a pistol riding that close to thresholds to be reliable with every form of 380acp ammo across the board.

Firearms manufactures just do very strange things sometimes. Bodyguard 2.0 has a bunch of those. Reason wehy i brought up the Ruger Security 9 before is that its well executed. Very inexpensive and basically a Larger beefed up LC9 design. Nothing strange or out of the norm. Slight modification they made with the extractor face but it was a well thought out addition for increase case rim coverage. I think of the Sigma/SD series the same way for S&W. Everything about the original Sigma has been tinkered with to the newest result in the SD9 2.0 and I would say its almost perfect now for a mid size striker.

Bodyguard 2.0 just needs more design work. If S&W does that in the future it may very well become the ultimate in a small 380acp striker pistol but they have a lot of areas to tackle. The pistols have been riddled with problems since their release and its been a pretty broad range. Extractors, recoil spring systems, barrel/feedramp issues, magazines, overall reliability, accuracy etc. etc. One thing people need to be hammering on Ruger and S&W on this is their magazines. Neither the 2.0 nor the LCP max have welll designed magazines and thast will kill a pistol faster than almost anything. If they cant managed to design new magazines they really need to stick with exhisting tube designs. Most reliable doublestack 380acp tube design is probably the old Beretta 84. I have not seen the hellcat 380 Magazines yet but they look closer to that. Cobra Patriot magazines are good for the 380acp but its basically a thinner s&W 59 mag tube like on the Keltec p11s they shortened. My Mauser HSC super magazines are perfectly reliable for double stack 380 as are the tanfoglio Super titans so this double stack 380 magazine concept is not that hard. You would think these designers would have samples of previous double stack 380 magazines to work from but they keep screwing around with this notion of bottleneck magazine designs which have always had problems. I know they want to keep everything thin but thats completely possible with modern frame designs so they are just making up excuses.

I still cant get over the magazine spring in the bodyguard 2.0. If they need STRONGER springs you just go to thicker wire for lesser coils. If its going to be hard to load then you incorperate a follower and window system that allows the loard to insert a tool through the magazine tube into the follower and compress the spring follower from the outside. This is all stuff thats been done before. S&W has even done it. Slide hard to grasp/rack... put wings on it. Honestly though if you have to compress the spriung that hard to get the 10th round in you are better off doing what you are doing and going with 9 rds. I have lot of traditional doublestack magazines I can compress one round in past max load but all its doing is overcompressing the magazine spring. You are far better off having a littel wiggle room there. Let aloine the stress that gets put on the rear portion of the feedlips. Im surpised people are not cracking feelips yet in the rear portion at the top of the magazine.

Agan I know I sound like I hate the 2.0 but as far as shooting goes i like the way it sits in the hand. Decent grip with the low bow axis is nice. Be even better in a 32acp but even for suck a small light 380 its not bad. 32acp it would run REALLY flat and fast. Probalby feel like shooting a 25acp.
 
I only have a Ruger LCP and a Ruger LCP Max. The LCP is my current BUG.
 
I have an Iver Johnson Pony that my wife gave sometime back in the middle 80's that is taken apart exactly like a 1911. It is a really nice small gun to shoot. Got two mags with it and both work well. I have never seen another one or heard of one mentioned, My every day .380 is a Kel Tec P3AT. Very generic pistol but it works well.








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Back in March in an earlier post, I was blathering on about the BG 2.0 and what a brilliant design it is. That may still be, but familiarity breeding contempt and all that, I feel differently, like the execution didn’t rise to the level of design. Instead, (and having sold my SIG P232), I am returning to some other old .308 favorites.
The SIG P238 is a terrific little .380 and one that I can shoot accurately and rapidly. Something about it. Greater capacity is met by a Beretta 85.

In another day, this would have been my favorite .380 although I would never carry it now. When this Colt came out it must just have hit the gun-buying public like a ton of bricks, as used as they were of carrying around big, chunky revolvers:

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Here in the undersea world of Sunny Southern Hell, the prize for modern, lightweight, effortless carry has to belong the the DAO Colt Pony Pocketlite:

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Back in March in an earlier post, I was blathering on about the BG 2.0 and what a brilliant design it is. That may still be, but familiarity breeding contempt and all that, I feel differently, like the execution didn’t rise to the level of design. Instead, (and having sold my SIG P232), I am returning to some other old .308 favorites.
The SIG P238 is a terrific little .380 and one that I can shoot accurately and rapidly. Something about it. Greater capacity is met by a Beretta 85.

In another day, this would have been my favorite .380 although I would never carry it now. When this Colt came out it must just have hit the gun-buying public like a ton of bricks, as used as they were of carrying around big, chunky revolvers:

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Here in the undersea world of Sunny Southern Hell, the prize for modern, lightweight, effortless carry has to belong the the DAO Colt Pony Pocketlite:

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Yeah I would have been falling all over myself to get a Colt 1903 or 1908 in those days.
But this wasn't the buffalo bill hickcock days.
The Colt Pocket positive, Colt Police positive and S&W I frame were nice little revolvers and later Colt police positive specials. Nothing big and clunky there.

Still like to get my grubby booger hooks on a nice Savage with more than 1 workable magazine.
 
Here's what Google says about this.......What do you say......and why do you say it.

The "best" .380 pistol depends on your priority (concealability, ease of use, capacity), but top contenders include the Ruger LCP Max for compact carry, the S&W M&P Shield EZ for ease of use, the Sig Sauer P238/P365-380 for premium features/optics, and the Glock 42 for reliable simplicity, with the Bersa Thunder 380 offering great value. For classic styling and function, the Walther PPK/S remains popular, while newer options like the Springfield Hellcat 380 offer modern features in a compact size
Glock 42
 
My wife has a G42 and she just bought the P365 in 380. The P365/380 whoops the G42 bigtime in ALL categories. I like her Sig P365/380 so much that i`m going to buy one. I already have a P365/9mm and i love that one too. So adding a great shooting .380 to the mix, well, why not. I already have a Ruger MAX 380. But its not a tack driver at all like my wifes P365/380 is. The Ruger is horrible in accuracy actually. The Sig P365/380 is a much softer shooter over the Ruger MAX 380 all day long, and a far better trigger in the P365`s than what Ruger is building. I cringe every time i hear the Ruger dry fired....PANNNNNNNNGGGGGGG:oops:
 
I wanted a 380 I could pocket carry. I looked at the SW 2.0 and the Ruger Max.
Been on this forum for a number of years, so I’ve read a lot of post both good and bad about the 2.0.
At the gun store, I handled the 2.0 and the Ruger Max. It’s personal preference.
I liked the Ruger better so I rented a Ruger Max. Bench rested at 5 yards I shot a 5 shot group the size of a silver dollar.
Ruger just came out with the new Ruger Max Magpul version with a number of updates over the current Max.
It followed me home. It comes with a 10 round and a 13 round magazine.


Let you know how it works out after I get to the range. More to follow.
 

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Taurus TCP738. 11 ounces. hammer at half cock, after each firing, so a semi double action only (SAFE). It locks the slide after emptying the mag. The size of my conservative wallet. Better than the gun that stays home.
 
For aesthetics? Walther PPK/S.
For concealability? Ruger LCP.
 
I got Missus Smiff a .380 EZ and she's good with it. I think it's a great gun and the features are just right. (I like having a thumb safety). It's definitely easy to handle and wrack, she has problems with hand strength but no problem with the EZ.
 
The lcp or the p3at

My opinion: There is no reason to have a 380 larger than the above two and not upgrading to a 9mm in the same size ( larger than the above two)

By my worthless .02 as always : buy a j frame 🫡
 
Went to the range today to shoot my new Ruger LCP Max with Magpul EHG. I had already cleaned and lubricated the gun and checked the new mags for any issues ( there were none) before I went.
Shot 70 rounds. The gun ran flawlessly. I now have a gun I can carry in my front pocket with a 13 round mag and one in the chamber in the Ruger pocket holster that came with the gun.
Below is the range target with all the info written on it.
And yes, the bottom hole is 11 rounds in a 1/2” hole.
 

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All steel .380 ACPs are too heavy , this defeats the purpose of a small easy to carry pistol .
 
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