How many of you have actually needed to draw your ccw in public?

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TaxPhd said:
70+% of police officers never draw their weapon during their careers. Did all of them not do “real” police work? Or are they liars?
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My first day on the road as a certified officer I stopped a motorcycle club member that pulled off the road where I couldn't see one hand but I could see the empty holster mounted on the bike. Very uncomfortable moment with drawn gun till he slowly put his hands on the top of his head. Turns out he had dropped the gun when he first pulled off the road. First day, first drawn weapon and first arrest (stolen gun).
 
The Big D said:
I’ll stand corrected. Found a source that reflects your statement. Based on that data your posted percentage is true. Thank you.

That said, that data is hard to believe. No, I cannot prove it’s incorrect, but based on my personal experience and that of my current and former police officer friends it’s truly hard to believe.

I worked in big city environments and traveled extensively on the clock. I drew my gun in at least six (6) states and the District of Columbia. Heck, I even drew my gun in some off duty situations. I am happy to say I never shot anyone or shot at anyone. Presenting my gun quickly resolved the situations.

Again, you are correct given the number you posted. But simply cannot believe the source of it. In essence it reflects a whole lot of officers never made a felony car stop, executed a felony search warrant, or responded to an armed assault.

Maybe other current and past LEO’s will chime in.
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I have no actual knowledge, that’s just a stat that I found. I’m sure there are plenty of LEO’s who’s personal experiences differ from that.
 
I actually forgot...but I actually had my 45 in hand one evening at work during the riots...guy wanted what we had on the fire truck...he dropped his iron pipe and left. I truly do not want to shoot anyone...but have to say I am not going to accept a beating at 79...too many use weapons in such things...you could end up dead...My life is precious to me
 
I had two instances seeing trouble coming, putting my hand on my pocket carried 649 and blading off to face my trouble. In both cases the "trouble" did an abrupt about face and headed away from me. Once was late night at a gas station and once was while I was mowing my grass in a pretty nice neighborhood. I am not sure why this worked but it did and as a result I am a big believer in pocket carry.
 
Only once and in defense of an unknown guy being beat on by 5 idiots. Told them to back off and when they didn't one waring round and they were gone.
 
It's been 55-56 years ago. I was headed home on leave from my USAF assignment and was forced off the road over in E. Alabama. I stepped out of my car and leveled a big target 38 revolver at the gent who had gotten out of the old car that forced me over. He saw it , turned around and ran.
 
TaxPhd said:
I was just quoting the statistic. I of course have no knowledge of your personal experiences.
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That's fine - I just wonder about the statistic. Seems like every officer I know - hundreds of them personally - has drawn their weapon while on duty. Actually shooting it, that's a far different, far lower, number.

Regards, Guy
 
TaxPhd said:
I was just quoting the statistic. I of course have no knowledge of your personal experiences.
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From where did you retrieve that statistic? You never provided a link. Your post history is full of you pontificating without being able to back it up . . .
 
When I retired from the Army, I delivered pizzas around Fort Knox. One night I was out delivering a large pepperoni pizza in a not great neighborhood to an apartment on the back of a house (the address ended with "½"). I knocked on the door with a Beretta 950S in my hand under the pizza box. The door opened and a rather large, rather drunk gentleman looked at me. When I said, "Pizza, Pizza! That will be $9.73 ( about that anyway). Big drunk said, " How 'bout I just beat your ass and take the pizza?" I didn't move. I just said, "That would be a bad idea," and cocked the little Beretta. His expression changed very quickly when he heard the two clicks, and he produced a $20 bill, saying, "Keep it!" I took it and handed up the pizza with my left hand. He never saw the little .25 ACP. The door closed gently, and I left. I went by my house on the way back to the store to swap out the 950S for my 3" Colt Detective Special. When I got back to the store, I had the manager put that address on the "no delivery" list.
 
I had to go to the grocery store one night around 9:30 to grab something I needed for the morning. When I came out there was a drunken jerk riding a bicycle around the parking lot. He rode up behind a couple people, slapped them on the back of the head, laughed and yelled at them. He started riding towards me yelling obscenities so I lifted my shirt so he could admire my P365. He got a shocked look on his face and boogied. I had no idea someone that drunk could ride that fast.
I got in my car and started home and I actually passed him about a half mile up the road. He was still riding like he was in the Tour de France. I haven't seen him around again after that.
 
I've never been a LEO but have enjoyed watching many YouTube videos of actual police work, as well as On Patrol Live every week. It's pretty common to see an officer unholster his pistol for a felony car stop, just part of the local department's procedure.
 
Muss Muggins said:
From where did you retrieve that statistic? You never provided a link. Your post history is full of you pontificating without being able to back it up . . .
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A Google search on “What percentage of police officers never draw their weapon on duty?” provides the following AI response: “Approximately 85% of police officers who retire have never drawn their service weapon in the line of duty. While specific data on drawing weapons is limited, statistics show that the vast majority of officers complete their careers without ever unholstering their firearm, and about 73% will never fire their weapon.”

I confused the 85% and the 73% statistic, but I certainly didn’t make anything up.

As far as me being unable to back up what I say, go ahead and quote anything I’ve said that I can’t (or wouldn’t) back up. I dare ya.
 
Wingincamera said:
I was a LEO for 29 years and never once had to draw my weapon. Had a lot of close times where I almost did, but didn't have to. This was on and off duty.
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So, what do you think of cops who have to pull often? Like, maybe, every day?
 
Wingincamera said:
I was a LEO for 29 years and never once had to draw my weapon. Had a lot of close times where I almost did, but didn't have to. This was on and off duty.
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You are most certainly the exception and not the rule. My guess is, you worked in a pretty sleepy town. Not to cast shade, still good work that needs to be done.

I wound up drawing down on a suspect 10 minutes into my very first shift. Yes, that is an oddity, I'm sure. Luck of the draw (no pun intended).

My record was eight times in one sweaty summer afternoon shift. That was the exception, not the rule. But, that said, I can't imagine working the job without drawing a weapon. Even Barney Fife broke leather.

How would you go about an open door with a burglar alarm? A felony car stop? A high-risk search warrant? The typical crazy guy with a gun call? An armed suspect fleeing a violent act?

I guess I don't get it...
 
TaxPhd said:
A Google search on “What percentage of police officers never draw their weapon on duty?” provides the following AI response: “Approximately 85% of police officers who retire have never drawn their service weapon in the line of duty. While specific data on drawing weapons is limited, statistics show that the vast majority of officers complete their careers without ever unholstering their firearm, and about 73% will never fire their weapon.”

I confused the 85% and the 73% statistic, but I certainly didn’t make anything up.

As far as me being unable to back up what I say, go ahead and quote anything I’ve said that I can’t (or wouldn’t) back up. I dare ya.
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This is an absurd statistic that has no bearing on anything in the real world. That is just not how being a cop works and anyone who thinks that is possible does not understand the job or what in entails.

If you really have a Doctorate in Taxation, it explains a lot of your posts. Things in life aren't always as clear as Title 26...or paragraph 61 for that matter.
 
TaxPhd said:
A Google search on “What percentage of police officers never draw their weapon on duty?” provides the following AI response: “Approximately 85% of police officers who retire have never drawn their service weapon in the line of duty. While specific data on drawing weapons is limited, statistics show that the vast majority of officers complete their careers without ever unholstering their firearm, and about 73% will never fire their weapon.”

I confused the 85% and the 73% statistic, but I certainly didn’t make anything up.

As far as me being unable to back up what I say, go ahead and quote anything I’ve said that I can’t (or wouldn’t) back up. I dare ya.
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You didn't link the info, which is prima facie wrong.

If you know nothing about a topic, Google can't save you.
 
Benton Quest said:
You are most certainly the exception and not the rule. My guess is, you worked in a pretty sleepy town. Not to cast shade, still good work that needs to be done.

I wound up drawing down on a suspect 10 minutes into my very first shift. Yes, that is an oddity, I'm sure. Luck of the draw (no pun intended).

My record was eight times in one sweaty summer afternoon shift. That was the exception, not the rule. But, that said, I can't imagine working the job without drawing a weapon. Even Barney Fife broke leather.

How would you go about an open door with a burglar alarm? A felony car stop? A high-risk search warrant? The typical crazy guy with a gun call? An armed suspect fleeing a violent act?

I guess I don't get it...
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Nor do I, Benton. Like Clint Eastwood said in HEARTBREAK RIDGE “Just don’t bore me”. There is policing and then there is policing.
 
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I have to wonder how A.I. could even generate a statistic like that. A percentage of O.I.S. per agency is an easy number to come up with as they are documented. But unless every Officer is interviewed upon retirement, how could anyone/ thing come up with the "never drawn" number? A.I.= B.S.
 
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TaxPhd said:
A Google search on “What percentage of police officers never draw their weapon on duty?” provides the following AI response: “Approximately 85% of police officers who retire have never drawn their service weapon in the line of duty. While specific data on drawing weapons is limited, statistics show that the vast majority of officers complete their careers without ever unholstering their firearm, and about 73% will never fire their weapon.”

I confused the 85% and the 73% statistic, but I certainly didn’t make anything up.

As far as me being unable to back up what I say, go ahead and quote anything I’ve said that I can’t (or wouldn’t) back up. I dare ya.
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I followed your instructions, searched for “What percentage of police officers never draw their weapon on duty?” on several search engines, including Google.

All I got were references to discharging, not drawing.

So, I then searched for the first sentence of your search results,

"Approximately 85% of police officers who retire have never drawn their service weapon in the line of duty.'

I did get a result for that, but it was a quote from someone's posting in another discussion forum (but, as with here, without a link to the source).

So, citation/link please? I'd like to see the study that concludes such.

Thanks.
 
TaxPhd said:
A Google search on “What percentage of police officers never draw their weapon on duty?” provides the following AI response: “Approximately 85% of police officers who retire have never drawn their service weapon in the line of duty. While specific data on drawing weapons is limited, statistics show that the vast majority of officers complete their careers without ever unholstering their firearm, and about 73% will never fire their weapon.”

I confused the 85% and the 73% statistic, but I certainly didn’t make anything up.

As far as me being unable to back up what I say, go ahead and quote anything I’ve said that I can’t (or wouldn’t) back up. I dare ya.
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I feel bad for your belief in AI. Hopefully you don't trust it in other areas of your life . . .
 
Muss Muggins said:
I feel bad for your belief in AI. Hopefully you don't trust it in other areas of your life . . .
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Well, AI is only as good as the data it can reference, but, I don't know where they would have farmed that statistic. No one asked me on the way out the door, "Hey, we have a questionnaire we need you to fill out that asks how many times you drew your firearms". No one I ever worked with was ever asked that question. So...where would they get such data?

Odd...very odd.
 
Benton Quest said:
Well, AI is only as good as the data it can reference, but, I don't know where they would have farmed that statistic. No one asked me on the way out the door, "Hey, we have a questionnaire we need you to fill out that asks how many times you drew your firearms". No one I ever worked with was ever asked that question. So...where would they get such data?

Odd...very odd.
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Odd or nonsense.
 
Benton Quest said:
Well, AI is only as good as the data it can reference, but, I don't know where they would have farmed that statistic. No one asked me on the way out the door, "Hey, we have a questionnaire we need you to fill out that asks how many times you drew your firearms". No one I ever worked with was ever asked that question. So...where would they get such data?

Odd...very odd.
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You have a fundamental misunderstanding regarding AI's operation . . .
 
FWIW (maybe nothing) the AI response to my Google search was not that quoted by @TaxPhd.

It was:

"Data specifically measuring officers who draw (unholster) but do not fire their weapons is not tracked by the federal government. However, data from the Pew Research Center indicates that 73% of police officers go their entire careers without ever firing their service weapon outside of the shooting range.​
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The total percentage of officers who never even draw their weapon is significantly lower, as unholstering a firearm is a more common protocol during high-risk felony apprehensions and traffic stops."​
 
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