I was checking out my new scale and found that grains and grams are very different.

I used a bullet out of a Winchester .22lr that was boxed as 36 gr.

It is 2.62grams, and is 40.5grains.

I assume the recipes for loading are all in GRAINS, not grams.

The powder in a .22lr is 1.9grains or .13grams

I hope i am on the right track. Feel free to share rhymes, and sayings good or bad.

Chuck

One gram equals approx. 15.432 grains. Those two weights are NOT interchangable.

But in reloading, we are always talking grains, never grams?

whether its powder or bullet weight?

This is good! my scale is good for 100grams, so I'm good for all my grain weights.

I got a scale on Amazon for $9 instead of a "brandname" scale of the exact same design for $34.
hehe

Chuck

Yep, it's always grains.

COOL thanks for the info.

Seems like a little bit of info that I never knew before. It seems the abbreviation of g, gr, gn, grn, grns, grs, gms, get interchanged.

I would rather ask many questions than make a disasterous assumption!

Thanks again
Chuck

If this is a digital scale I wouldn't trust it without a set of 'check weights'. I've heard very many complaints about inconsistent readings on lesser expensive digital scales.

One thing you can at least do is check for 'repeatability' by weighing the same charge several times.

If you are like me and have little money to spend, you can get a Lee balance type scale for about $25 that works like gangbusters.

Oh and welcome to handloading!

Yeah, I have a Lee classic loader set in the mail. scale is part of that group.
I was able to put a 230gr bullet on the scale it came up 230.1 6 out a 6 times! .22lr bullet, 37.1 grains in the center and all 4 corners! 5 out a 5!

Powder gets here Monday, whew what a wait! AND thanks for the welcome!


Chuck

I'd suggest a dedicated reloading beam scale. Plus a bit more research on reloading methods in The ABCs of Reloadng or Lyman's Reloading Handbook, 29th Edition on reloading measurements/methods...

The correct abbreviation for "grains" is gr., whether singular, fractional, or plural. The correct abbr. for "grams" is g., singular, fractional, or plural. All of the other permutations, whether understandable or not, are incorrect. Hope this helps.

Larry

got em on the ipad! and in old skool paper form!

chuck

Currently understood, just never knew it before. it's the only thing i know of that is measured in grains.


Like I said rather hear it than make a mistake.

Chuck

Like the old triple beam that was used back in the 70's? Got one here somewhere. Nah those were Grams, and Kilos. hehe

Chuck

It probably weighs in carats too. Won't do you any good in reloading, however.

Because grams are so much larger than grains, the scale would need to measure in hundredths of a gram to give approximately the same accuracy as a reloading scale that measures in tenths of a grain. If your scale only measures in tenths of a gram, that is more than a grain and a half, which would not be enough accuracy to load consistently. I just looked at my Vihta Vuori reloading manual. They give loads in grains and grams, and the gram loads are expressed in .01 grams.

Best,
Rick

got it down to hundreths of grains! Cant wait for the deliveries of stuff!

Chuck

1 pound = 16 oz = 454 grams = 7000 grains

2.7 grains of Bullseye powder in a .38 is a target load
2.7 grams of Bullseye powder in a .38 is a hand grenade.

Unless you are shooting diamond bullets.

Lot of ****** replies. Dont even think about using a $9 *** scale that reads in grams to reload with. Buy a scale designed for reloading. You need accurate measuments to the tenth of a grain, resolution and accuracy are NOT the same thing! The lee scale is the absolute minimum. Through the $9 toy away before it hurts you or the shooter next to you.

Get a reloading scale marked in grains. Save the $9 gram scale for the cocaine.

Grams are occasionally used in shotshell reloading to denote shot charge its fairly rare as most shot charges are in oz.

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There are 7000 grains in a pound; and

454 grams in a pound (approximately.)

Grams are a metric unit of mass, while grains are an avoirdupois unit of weight.

For those who do not read the all the posts and just wanna be picky.

The scale that I got for $9 is the SAME scale that is sold by several of the brand name reloaders. The only difference is that
they sell theirs for $34+! So, what is the difference? $25! in my pocket.

The scale is VERY accurate, in Grams, Carrots, lettuce wedges, and GRAINS!

It is not the only scale, just a good deal.

Oh yeah, the one who whipped out the Avoir Dupois reference, you can crawl back under the stinky French cheese and stay there. ick.

I kinda feel bad that I put out the request for information, even though I said good and bad.

WOW! y'all need to just back it down a notch!

Just my opinion,

Chuck

For pistols and revolvers, powder charge weights and bullet (projectile) weights are expressed as GRAINS, abbreviated "gr."

Some will abbreviate gram as "gm", however, the SI correct abbreviation for "gram" is "g." This avoids a transposition error in medical usage where "gm" could be transposed as "mg," which means milligram, which could result in a dosage increase by a factor of 1,000.

avoirdupois weights were adopted in an early version in England in the 1300s. Queen Elizabeth changed the numbers and her system was that used in the American colonies. It is still used relatively unchanged in the United States today, and avoirdupois is the correct name of the US System today.

In 1824 England made a major revision to the system, which the US did not folow.
Since then, the rest of the world has changed to the SI version of the metric system while the United States continues to use the 18th century Elizabethan avoirdupois system of weights. Ironically, the US calibration weight is now defined in terms of the SI standard kilogram. And any school child in the rest of the world can convert metric tons to grams in his head, while the average American can't convert tons to grains without a calculator and a table of conversion factors!

One of the first thing science majors learn is the metric system, so they can do science calculations without getting bogged down in outdated, irrational units. And what exactly is a poundal?

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The grams and grains thing shouldnt even be a discussion. Buy some reloading books and read them.

437.5 grains per ounce. 7000 grains in a pound!

I ain't interested in trusting my or my firearm's welfare to any bargain basement no name digital scale.

To each his own...

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It is the same scale that Winchester, or Hogdon, or Remington sells with their name stamped on it.

I'm just not the RUBE who wastes money on brand names where I dont need to.

I really appreciate those who CONTRIBUTE to this forum, I really do. We ALL have to put up with the contributions of the great unwashed and filter it accordingly.

To me this is very serious, I have my answers, they were not OBVIOUS before, now they are.

On other subjects I think humor and jocularity would fit. But not this time.

keep ya powder dry and be safe.
Chuck

Nope, a dedicated reloading scale. A beam type scale made specifically for reloading; weighing gun powder and bullets in grains...

Or was it drams?

Anyone here hear of winchester or remington reloading equipment? I dont thimk hogdgon makes any either. Just because someone is calling a chinese made scale a reloding scale doesnt make it an actual reloading scale. Buy a quality scale its crucial. A tenth of a grain is 1/70000th of a pound, a slight breeze from a celing fan will screw your readings all up if it's sensitive enough, a single grain is a large measurement when you are loading 4g of powder.

I thimk if you search Amazon, you'll find a Hogdon scale that is exactly like the one I bought.

So I guess by your post, Hogdon doesn't know a good scale?

Look my original post was to confirm grains over grams. I got that, now you continue to split hairs on something that was never the point of the post. Yes I added Remington and Win as examples of other companies who put their name on stuff to charge more than its worth.

I got a deal on a scale that weighs grains, the same scale that RELOADING POWDER MANUFACTURER PUT THEIR NAME ON.

I also have a Lee beam balance. They can cross check weight on each other if I want. But that is just what I thimk.

If that doesnt get it, reread post #23.

Chuck

First; buy a proper reloading scale. Doing the math is going to cost you an eye or a gun. Typ powder charges for handgun loads are quite small & some powders go from safe to over pressure in as little as 0.5 grains.
Second, you can't weight something that says it weighs a certain weight, unless you have a cert scale. Even then, jut because the box says 36 grains, the bullet could weigh +/- 0.5gr.
So get a proper scale, also go back & read the reloading sections in your manual. SOunds like you skipped something. If your gun & body parts are only worth $9, then I guess a $9 scale will do. Me, I like all my guns & most of my body parts. There are no cheap/good digital scales. Weighing bullets means nothing. Check that cheap scale with a certified check weight. I live in SoCal, pm me, mail me something & I will weigh it on my Dillon. It is checked w/ cert wts every 4m or so.

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I searched Google and Amazon for Hodgdon scale, Winchester scale, and Remington scale, but I couldn't find it.

Could you post a link to where you found it?

Yes, what you say is true.

You also went on to brag about what a value you had found in a $9.00 digital scale for for loading potential bombs.

When you put it out there, it will be commented on. Some may be proud of your choice, others may think you it's your money and your firearms?

You make your posts and you take your chances.

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