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.357 Sig - RCBS or Hornady Dies?
In my never-ending quest to find a reason for reloading scrounged range brass, I recently (today) became the owner of a Sig Sauer SP2340 chambered in Sig .357.
Joseph D'Alessandro over at Real Guns had an interesting article about it, and he decided on the RCBS 2- piece over the Hornady 3 piece set. He makes a pretty convincing argument.
Before I take that advice, I'd like to hear what you folks have to say.
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03-27-2014, 09:35 PM
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I am really happy with my RCBS carbide pistol dies.
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I use the LEE dies, but on my progressive press, I have 5 dies mounted for 357SIG. Most cartridges I just use 4 dies
Station 1 is a carbide 40S&W sizing die plus decap
Station 2 is a steel 357SIG sizing die
Station 3 is the expander and powder drop
Station 4 is the seater
Station 5 is a Factory crimp die
This setup has allowed my to load the widest range of projectiles with this cartridge
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The article you referenced is an excellent guide.
I load using a carbide 40 S&W die for decapping and sizing. Next I run the brass through a steel 357 Sig die set up to headspace off the shoulder, no lube is required. I don't expand the neck and I don't crimp post seating. Works fine for me with no bullet setback during chambering.
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03-28-2014, 07:49 AM
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The article you referenced is an excellent guide.
I load using a carbide 40 S&W die for decapping and sizing. Next I run the brass through a steel 357 Sig die set up to headspace off the shoulder, no lube is required. I don't expand the neck and I don't crimp post seating. Works fine for me with no bullet setback during chambering.
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Thanks. Looks like I'm going with the RCBS.
I think that since I tumble with TufNut, it will provide enough lubrication that I won't need to use a separate 40 cal sizing die and I can have a go at letting the RCBS decap/case sizing/neck expander die do it's thing. But it's good to know the tip on the 40 if I need to pick one up later!
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I bought Dillion dies as they were the only carbide dies available at the time. I have yet to use them and would enjoy a link to that article--  THANKS!!
I DID find the information and a BIG THANKS!! Joe seems to really know his stuff-- never too old to learn something new--
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Unless RCBS fixed their problems, avoid their 357sig dies at all cost. They got the headspace issue wrong & no expander, both mistakes IMO. I went Dillon, tough to not like the ease of the carbide dies, but the Hornady Nt coated would be my second choice if not loading on a progressive.
BTW, if you use any steel die w/o case lube, will eventually stick a case. Short cuts are fine for going to the market, but never in reloading. The reason you can get by with a 40 carbide sizer is it is doing all the work & then setting the shoulder back & truing the neck up can be done w/o case lube. Again, RCBS got it all wrong from the start, I would rather go Lee than RCBS, but Hornady are better if not going Dillon.
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Yeah, I probably should have noted I don't load for 357 Sig, mainly because I am not a fan of the cartridge because of recoil and because it is necked down. Love my RCBS carbide dies for 9mm, 38 special, 357 magnum, and 45 acp.
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The .357 SIG, in essence, is no more than a very short, shouldered rifle case. I've always used 2-die sets (RCBS, by the way) on all the rifle rounds I've loaded.
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A few years ago I bought 1000 range brass and a set of regular steel Lee dies have acquired another 3500-4000 brass and still haven't done anything. For dies I think you are best off staying with one brand. That allows for the interchangeability of die parts. So I use Mostly RCBS or Redding dies. Ivan
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Almost all my dies are REDDING, and I load on an older Redding turret press, all I need. I only have my SIG because I had so much 40 & 357 brass-- as it turned out, the gun came with both barrels and three mags. I bought Dillion dies because at the time they were the only makers of 357 carbide dies. Already had the carbide 40 dies.
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Unless RCBS fixed their problems, avoid their 357sig dies at all cost. They got the headspace issue wrong & no expander, both mistakes IMO. I went Dillon, tough to not like the ease of the carbide dies, but the Hornady Nt coated would be my second choice if not loading on a progressive.
BTW, if you use any steel die w/o case lube, will eventually stick a case. Short cuts are fine for going to the market, but never in reloading. The reason you can get by with a 40 carbide sizer is it is doing all the work & then setting the shoulder back & truing the neck up can be done w/o case lube. Again, RCBS got it all wrong from the start, I would rather go Lee than RCBS, but Hornady are better if not going Dillon.
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Fred, I would go Dillon and load on my 650 but this is strictly a low volume endeavor. I'm intrigued by the 357 Sig and got a smokin' deal on a SP2340 so...
Anyway, this is the article I read. It certainly sounds as if RCBS has worked out any issues they had. I have no plans to add a channelure and roll crimp these. I can always add a taper crimp die later if need be.
Real Guns - RCBS vs Hornady 357 SIG Die Sets
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I use both RCBS and Hornady dies, both brands are excellent.
RCBS customer service is great, when I needed some parts for my press they sent them in the next mail...free! Never called Hornady CS so don't know about them.
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I use a blend of dies.
Dillon - resize
RCBS - expand
Rcbs - seat
Lee - Factory crimp.
I did not find the Hornady a good seater die or resizer. My rcbs sizer was not small enough and the dillon is carbine.
Works great now.
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Well, we'll see how this works out. I appreciate all the tips if I need to add steps later. You guys are the best. (Yeah, that pound of Power Pistol says $17.99. Go ahead and hate on me...  )
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I've loaded many many .357 Sig rounds using the RCBS Carbide dies without issues. If you decap & resize with a .40 die, you can eliminate lubing the cases. Enjoy, it's a great round.
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I've always been a big RCBS fan.
When I decided to load the .357 SIG some years back, I couldn't find RCBS dies in stock anywhere so I bought the Redding FL 3 die set and added the Redding TC die.
1 - FL steel die
2 - Expander die
3 - Seat die
4 - TC die
I first spray lube the cases, run them through the FL die to size and de-prime, wipe them off on an old towel and tumble.
Everything else is done on my Dillon 550B as with any other handgun ctg.
Works well for me.
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I could not seem to find RCBS Carbide 357 sig dies mentioned a few posts above. All I could find was steel. I thought Dillon made the only carbide dies.
Is this a new item or is my google fu running poorly today?
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I could not seem to find RCBS Carbide 357 sig dies mentioned a few posts above. All I could find was steel. I thought Dillon made the only carbide dies.
Is this a new item or is my google fu running poorly today?
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To my knowledge, only Dillon makes a carbide sizing die. The Hornady would be next best with Nitite coting. Everyone else are steel, so unless you go Dillon, plan on case lube.
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