Received this email today about my LabRadar order:

"TCK, LLC the exclusive distributor for LabRadar has been notified by Infinition, the Canadian manufacturer of LabRadar that while production has started they were informed by a supplier of one part that is on backorder.

"As you can imagine that is disappointing to everyone involved. They have told us a small portion of shipment may become available in October and those customers have been notified in a separate email. The orders are being filled in the order taken.

"The remainder will not be assembled until around Christmas due to this backordered part. . . . "

Since I didn't receive a separate email . . . hurry Santa hurry lol!

Send Santa an e-mail and see what he can do to speed things up. I'll be sending him one myself, because I want one of those LabRadar things.

WOW I wished you hadn't posted this as it is now at the top of my bucket list. I did some research and watched a Youtube of PrecisionShooters testing it and it would make all my chrono work so much easier. I only have one concern that I picked up from the video and that is the triggering for it can be set one of two ways. For testing guns it is set to sound and I am afraid that at the indoor range shooters on the other lanes could effect it. I can't use my shot timer app there no matter how I set it. If this is the case I might just go with the Magnetospeed just for my rifles. Don

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If you have put money down on a LabRadar, I hope it was on a credit card. I've seen this way too many times over the years with start-up companies that have a good product but little money backing them. The time to get a refund is now, not after they stop accepting your calls and emails.

It's really too bad. I had hoped to purchase one myself after they hit the market in mass.

I went ahead and ordered a Magnetospeed Sport I got to many new 223 rounds to test. The rifle range is always busy and I don't want to have to be setting up my Prochrono while others have to wait on me. I am still interested and hope they do get it on the market the Youtube test looks good. Is this a new start up company? Don

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could be worse.
I helped engineer an amplifier around a part that went out of production about one month after the design went into production.
better to be a low availability part than an no availability part

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Infinition apparently has been in business ~20 years, but I believe the Distributor (and likely the designer of this particular radar system) is a start-up.

Those who ordered by credit card have not been charged; those with PayPal have been charged.

The main concern with any chrono is how many shots does it miss, and how many phantom shots does it record. So, yeah - how it performs in, eg, an occupied/active indoor range is critical.

Thanks for the info. I am still interested in it I hope they get production going. I do get times at the indoor range when I have the range to myself for a while. It looks like it would be fast to set up where as my ProChrono has to be setup and rolled out into position. I can do this when the range is petty full of shooters and the manager will try to keep the lanes on either side of me open. I use it a lot there and also test loads for them. My MagnetoSpeed Sporter Chronograph has been shipped and it will be a lot less to carry around and set up. Don

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Dunno how many indoor ranges would give that opportunity - nicely done lol.

You'll like the MagnetoSpeed, it's a real joy to use compared to an optical chrono. When attached directly to a rifle barrel, it will change the POI. So it's a good idea to strap it on securely so it doesn't move mid-group. If it does, the POI change may then be different and that would change the group size as well.

I don't seriously shoot for group with a Magnetospeed attached.
I usually make 10 of each load in a development ladder; 5 for the chrono and 5 for as serious shooting as I can muster at the time.
(Or another time).

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Wish now I had bought the V3 model for the extra money as I don't like the display unit on the Sports Model. I gives all the info but has no way to move the data to my PC where all my Prochrono data is. The V3 also now has a cell phone app. If I understand their website I can use the V3 display unit with the Sports model at a cost of another $185. I am going to email them to confirm. I went to the indoor range to try it out today on my AR but the place was packed so I didn't stay. Don

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I have the V2 and the biggest advantage I see in their top models is the range of sensitivity adjustments.
I do have the memory card, store results on it, but have never actually used it to transfer data to a computer.
I shoot a wide variety of loads from slow cast to much faster copper and use almost the whole range of
sensitivity to get good readings especially with those slow cast numbers.
However, I am also a little old fashioned and write down all shot results in a notebook.
I find it more comfortable to massage the results with a calculator and notebook while sitting in the nice chair in the library/study.
I have lost too much data in computers to totally trust them as a permanent storage medium.
Done right, paper will last a lot longer.
I have notebooks, perfectly readable, from 50+ years ago.
I have books, perfectly readable, from 200 years ago.
Good luck with your magnetic and optical media.
Those Sumerians may have been on to something!

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Don't want to hijack but it seems the discussion is already going this direction

I'm currently looking for a non-optical chrony and I see Midway has the MagnetoSpeed V3 in stock with free shipping and the LabRadar as coming soon.

Does anyone have an update on the LabRadar? It looks very AWESOME but some good points have been made about its usability in a public range scenario. If I understood the comments, the LabRadar is triggered to begin "looking" by the sound of the shot, presumably to conserve power???? If so, maybe that could be fixed in the future with some kind of remote mic for hand/wrist/gun/... or other technology.

Since neither are "cheap",would be good to get some more compare/contrast of the two devices.

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Back to Labradar:

I'm very disappointed in this news, because I really want one.

I don't buy the story of one little part holding up production.
Get the part somewhere else.

Labradar looks like just another "too good to be true" fairy tale.

Everyone who ordered one should seriously consider canceling their order and getting their money back.
Too many times in the past it only goes down hill from here.

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Sort of lol. I got an email saying they were shipping soon (to those of us who ordered but had not yet received). The email offered free shipping on other parts of a complete LabRadar kit (eg, bench stand, case, extra battery packs, etc) if added to our LabRadar orders.

I'd suggest you call them for scheduling info. I talked to them once, and found them responsive.

I have a MagnetoSpeed V1, so my comments are restricted to that original variant. If you leave that MagnetoSpeed ON during a 3 hour session, fresh batteries are pretty much dead. Of course you can always carry an extra set of fresh batteries . . . as you could for the LabRadar, or you can use their rechargeable USB battery pack(s).

There are several reviews available via google. IMO they still don't adequately test (or report on) the unit used at a very busy range. The only concern about sound triggering I've seen is when using a suppressor . . . it worked OK without interference, but was not tested with other shooters active.

For my uses - bench rest, moderate to lightly busy range, no suppressor - I don't see an issue.

One final note: When LabRadar was introduced. NO ONE said anything about the bayonet changing a rifle's POI. In fact, many folks loudly denied it was happening. The current general belief is that it will almost always change your POI, but there is no evidence it changes group sizes. But accuracy differences are extremely difficult to PROVE one way or another.

AFAIC, the bayonet changes POI and changes it differently when attached differently (tighter/looser, slightly different spot, etc), so I cannot use it for ALL rounds fired during load development. Which is, after all, the only time I really need it lol.

With LabRadar I expect no POI or accuracy changes, and if it gives a few false triggers I can always delete those shots. Battery life can be dealt with via extra battery pack(s).

Anything that changes barrel oscillations will change group size. Note that the Browning BOSS has relatively fine threads and only a few turns of the brake changes the length of the barrel, the barrel oscillations, and the size of the group, sometimes considerably.

We could also discuss that funny looking rubber donut that some people insist on putting on their gun barrels to dampen barrel oscillations, but it's just simply too ugly to even bring up on a polite forum.

While I agree with you that (eg) MagnetoSpeed CAN change group size, I could not prove it to myself despite shooting a lot of comparative groups. So I've just decided not to argue the point any more. OTOH, proving POI change was easy.

MagnetoSpeed eventually posted an FAQ confirming the "likelihood" that POI would change, but for obvious reasons does not go further than "there's no evidence of changing group size".

It's still a great chrono, but IMO not for use on any round used directly in load development . . . need to make extras to measure velocity.

From the other end of the spectrum,....

I don't care if the device changes POI and/or group size and or anything else. To ME, the instrument is there to measure velocity. If I've got it attached/in use, I'm specifically focused on that. Again, that's just for me!!!! I try to focus on one thing at a time if possible.

Given the price points of the two devices mentioned, I'm most interested in how they perform their "primary function" and the pros/cons in performing that function.

My two cents!!!!!

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Agree 1000% with smokindog!

Chrono gives me velocity. And all I really care about is ballpark average when working up a load. Once I have that, I fine tune the load for max accuracy. Once there, run over the chrono again to confirm still in desired range.

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I ordered a labRadar this weekend and emailed them asking when they expect them to be in stock. They answered righr away and said they expected a shipment from Canada in March.

I did buy a MagnetoSpeed Sport and like it much easier to carry around and set up then my Prochrono but still need the Pro for handguns and they are 95% of my testing. Don

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I too ordered one but didn't realize it would be March before they might ship.
They must be assembling them one part per day per unit.
That's a long time to tie up that kind of money in an account (non-interest bearing).

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Is this like adding maternity benefits to Medicare?

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No it's like not having to set up a chrono on a tripod out in front of you and shoot through it just right. It is also not worrying if the light is right. I didn't see it listed under my Medicare so guess the whole cost is out of pocket. Don

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They don't charge a credit card until they ship. Paypal they take immediately. Don't know what they do for other forms of payment.

Very strange people at this company and very strange communications techniques.

I have been waiting for mine since the SHOT show.

Every time I E-mail the Importer I get told a part is on back order and we expect to get them out in, whatever month is two months away.

When I expressed the frustration of being told the same thing over and over every time I ask about delivery and explain how new product excitement wears off after time he tells me that "we will be glad to cancel your order".

I plan on stopping by their Shot Show booth again this year.

Perhaps this is an idea that is not ready for market. Otherwise why would a US company not take up design and production of something along these lines. It can not cost much more to make it in America than in Canada.

Kind of reminds me of those folks that have been bringing the Bren Ten back every year for the past 7 or 8 years now.

Caveat Emptor definitely applies here.

Delivery has always been two months away for the last two years.
I don't buy the "waiting on a part" story.

I emailed them, but they won't say how many have actually been sold to date. Midway had them is stock for about 10 seconds, then they were sold out again. Midway won't say how many they sold?

Have hundreds been sold, thousands or just a handful?

I definitely want one, but I'm very leery of buying one.

Probably the most benign explanation is that the LabRadar distributer is a tiny portion of the manufacturer's market, and can't get them to meet demand.

Could be they ran out of financing or didn't want to or couldn't risk buying 1000 (pick a number) for inventory at $250/ea (pick a number).

Could be Shark Tank et al wouldn't take them on because they are in a politically incorrect industry.

All I know is I got one, it works well, and for the first time I can use a chrono on the actual loads used for load development without good weather, a cold range etc or changing (at least) my POI.

Well glad to hear you say yours works well. I am willing to wait. Not happy about it but I want one. They didn't give me a tap dance about waiting on a part just that they expected their next shipment in March. Didn't say what year. Don

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My credit/debit card is tied to my checking account at our university credit union.
They way they handle an unpaid for purchase is to move the amount to a separate outgoing holding area
so that the overall balance is less this amount even though the money has not yet gone out.
This helps prevent an overdraft when the money IS sent out without notice.

Once I ordered a custom T/C barrel and told them to NOT take the money until a certain day.
They took it early and caused an overdraft.

I don't know what kind of communication occurs between the business and the bank to cause funds to be
moved to the holding tank but it sure is better than seeing it go away completely with nothing to show for it.

This is what I was referring to when I said the money was "tied up" for months.

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Learn something every day lol.

Wonder if the LR folks hold the number on file, or actually put a hold on the funds as you describe. LR doesn't really need to put an immediate hold - it's not a custom build or a hotel room lol. They can check when they are ready to ship. Yeah, I guess you'd have to ask them.

Yep, that would be Vltor Weapons Systems/Milkor USA/Abrams Airborne. With them, they just flat out misrepresented what was going on and how far along they really were (aka lying).

Bruce