I Need Some Expert Assistance on These Reloading dies

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Ha.

I have a 3 die set of RCBS 30 Carbine RN dies.

I have had them for quite a while and truly don't remember how I acquired them. Or, who from. :confused:

My dilemma:

One picture is of mine and the other picture is of a set online.

They appear to be the same, but, is my set complete or is it missing something?

And, please identify each die as to it's proper nomenclature and function.

Thanx,

bdGreen

P.S. This is my first ever, I believe, post in this part of the Forum. :D

IMAGES OF MINE









ONLINE IMAGE


 
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Your dies are from 1976 and they changed the function of the sizer die a little.

I am wrong! You have what looks like 2 sizer dies and no seater.
 
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It's hard to tell without looking down the die without a center stem, but it might be a seating /die (last step) without the actual seater stem. Are there individual part numbers on each die? If so, you could possibly find it on RCBS's Web site or call them.
 
The die on the left in this picture has a stamping of "30 CARB. SIZE #1 76".

The die on the right in this picture has a stamping of "30 CARB. SEAT #3 76".

What say you?

bdGreen


 
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It appears the expander plug is missing from the die with nothing in it.
Call RCBS and they'll send you one, possibly @ no charge.
 
The actual pros are RCBS! Their Customer Service is some Of the best in the world! Their phone number is 1-800-533-5000.

I have a set from around 1980, and can see a few things:

The order of usage is different now (not a big deal!)

You are missing a stem, it looks to be the expander.

These die sets only came with a RN seating plug so if you wish to use Spitzer points you will need the you need that plug.

You may have two sizing dies [this is common, buy a standard die set first ($20) and the expensive Carbide die later($80) 1980 prices]

I don't have any idea if part are still available for that old series, you have to call and ask.!

Note: If you have a Carbide sizing die, it will have a visible ring around the mouth of a different looking metal. Lubrication is still needed but very lightly and only every 5th or 6th case.

I picked up 500 fired cases the other day and find that cases fired in a M1 Carbine are much easier to resize that the ones fired in a Ruger Blackhawk!

Also Note: If you wish to use cast bullets, they should be with gas Checks or the lead will build up in the gas block and seriously mess up you Carbine!
Plated bullets have come and gone for M1 Carbine ammo, even Berry's is only selling jacketed now!

Ivan
 
Are you planning on loading some 30 carbine, or are you trying to complete a kit to sell? If loading I would buy a new set and refurbish existing one.
 
__steve__ said:
Are you planning on loading some 30 carbine, or are you trying to complete a kit to sell? If loading I would buy a new set and refurbish existing one.
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Nailed it Steve.
I have never loaded 30 carbine. I acquired this die decades ago in some Trading. My whole interest right now is defining it's worth and then selling it to someone who might need it at this point. I do not need it. But, I am interested in what it is and how it was supposed to be used. And, then I will try and find someone who needs it.
Since you brought it up, I am curious just to know what it's worth is right now in the condition it's in. I'd appreciate any input on that and if it has any value more than shipping costs then I will put it on the forum here and try to sell it.
bdGreen
 
Pull all of the stems out and take pictures them and clear shots of the words on the dies. The provided pics don't quite give enough info.
 
bdGreen said:
The die on the left in this picture has a stamping of "30 CARB. SIZE #1 76".

The die on the right in this picture has a stamping of "30 CARB. SEAT #3 76".

What say you?

bdGreen


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On the left you have a decapping/full length resizing die without the decapping pin & holder, in the middle you have a belling die to expand the case mouth slightly, and on the right you have a bullet seating die. You DO NOT have a carbide resizing die!
jcelect
 
It appears to me that the dies in the first photo , starting with the far left :

far left die - Sizing Die - steel (that's all it does is size)
center die - Decapping / Neck Expander Die (the decapping pin is missing)
far right die - Bullet Seater / Taper Crimp Die

My 9mm luger and 38/357 mag sets , bought in the early 1970's / late 60's , are both made in this fashion
Size only Die , Decap & Neck Expand Die , Seat & Crimp Die .
The sizer is steel so use case lube !

I don't think the newer RCBS dies have this set up ...but I haven't bought new dies lately .
Gary
 
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I am no expert, but...

jcelect said:
On the left you have a decapping/full length resizing die without the decapping pin & holder, in the middle you have a belling die to expand the case mouth slightly, and on the right you have a bullet seating die. You DO NOT have a carbide resizing die!
jcelect
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I have never seen a belling (expansion) die with a decapping pin as the overhead view clearly shows in the middle... NOTE: JUST REALIZED THAT IMAGE WAS AN "ONLINE IMAGE"... DUH!

With the 18005 part number on the box it would indeed appear to be a 3 die set and the excellent folks at RCBS Service should be able to direct you.

Cheers!

P.S. It would also not be the 1st time that dies got mixed up sometime in the preceeding decades, either...?:eek:
 
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I have a set like that only for .45 AR. I sent photos to RCBS and they informed me it was a complete set but they don't make them like that anymore.
 
I have that exact set, same part number 18005. The only thing you need is a decapping pin (part number 09608 I think.)

Each die has the function stamped on the top. The "Size #1", and "Seat #3" on the top ringof the body (not lock ring). The seat die just has "RCBS 30 CARB" stamped on the top of the expander/decap insert. (There may be something on the top ring of the body but I am not going to take the expander/decap lock ring off to see.)

Use the "SIZE" first (hence #1) and then the expander/decap die after you install a decapping pin, and then the "SEAT" (#3).

Just like gwpercle said above.
 
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Thanx everyone for your inputs.

I believe this set is as it was originally, minus the decapping pin.

I have this set and another that I will be posting for sale in the Classifieds here.

As I stated from the beginning, I don't intend to load 30 Carbine, but, am fully interested in finding out about each die function.

I guess they are 'old school' RCBS products.

They may, (or may not), appeal to someone.

Thanx again.

bdGreen

And, jcelect, why are you hollering at me?:D

"You DO NOT have a carbide resizing die!
jcelect"
 
gwpercle said:
It appears to me that the dies in the first photo , starting with the far left :

far left die - Sizing Die - steel (that's all it does is size)
center die - Decapping / Neck Expander Die (the decapping pin is missing)
far right die - Bullet Seater / Taper Crimp Die

My 9mm luger and 38/357 mag sets , bought in the early 1970's / late 60's , are both made in this fashion
Size only Die , Decap & Neck Expand Die , Seat & Crimp Die .
The sizer is steel so use case lube !

I don't think the newer RCBS dies have this set up ...but I haven't bought new dies lately .
Gary
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Absolutely correct. Older die sets had the decapper and expander assembly in one die the sizer did nothing else. I have several sets exactly in that configuration in other calibers. The decapping pin is missing and it will be the old style without a head like used today.
 
Don't sell the dies ...
Looks like the perfect excuse to buy a Ruger Blackhawk in 30 Carbine,

One should never pass up the opprotunity (excuse) to buy a sweet firearm.
I guess you could by a newly made Inland Manufacturing M1 1945 30 Carbine but I would rather have the revolver !
Something to think about... You got the Dies !!!

I've actually bought guns because I had been given dies ...
Free dies are fun !
Gary
 
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gwpercle said:
Don't sell the dies ...
Looks like the perfect excuse to buy a Ruger Blackhawk in 30 Carbine,

One should never pass up the opprotunity (excuse) to buy a sweet firearm.
I guess you could by a newly made Inland Manufacturing M1 1945 30 Carbine but I would rather have the revolver !
Something to think about... You got the Dies !!!

I've actually bought guns because I had been given dies ...
Free dies are fun !
Gary
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Dies are SOLD. Ha.

Knew I would never load 30 Carbine. Never have.

And, the .380 acp, I moved away from that platform a couple of years ago and don't plan to go back.

Have enough other calibers to occupy my time.

bdGreen
 
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