Cast lead vs. jacketed loads?

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Is there typically a difference in the amount of powder one would use for a lead vs a jacketed bullet?
I'm wanting to load some 100 gr RNFP bullets in .380, but none of my manuals have load data for a lead 100 grain bullet in .380. I'm using Win 231 powder.
 
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Get the Lyman cast bullet manual. They have a bullet in your weight range listed but it is a round nose, so data would be different unless bearing length of your bullet and theirs is the same or very close.

Powder charges for cast bullets are often slightly greater than for a jacketed counterpart of the same weight. However, that's not a recommended rule to use in working up data, particularly if you are not a very experienced handloader.

Don't use Internet data unless you find a reputable source (large bullet or powder company) to confirm that the data is safe.

I'd have to go through old notes, but as I recall, 231 was the best powder I found for cast bullets in the .380 cartridge and I tried quite a variety of powders with bullets ranging from around 90 grains to 122 grains. Good luck-
 
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A simple point to consider:

Cast lead bullets, even those made of the harder alloys, are significantly softer than any jacketed bullet. They are accelerated more easily and develop much less friction in the bore, so both the maximum pressures and the pressure impulse curve are lower than any jacketed bullet (assuming the same load and firearm).

That said, those qualities come with some limitations. Powder selections (burning rates, charge levels, etc) must remain within the appropriate range to avoid some of the problems that jacketed bullets were developed to overcome (leading of the lands & grooves, excessive expansion of the bullet under initial pressure, melting of the bullet base caused by flame temperatures of the burning powder, etc).

Also, some firearms can cause problems with exposed lead bullets due to designs of the feeding mechanism (another obstacle that jacketed bullets provide some advantages for).

I've been casting bullets for 48 years and use cast bullets almost exclusively in most of my firearms. We just have to understand the strengths and weaknesses and work within the range of real possibilities.

The Lyman cast bullet manuals are an excellent starting point for anyone considering this.
 
I've never seen a manual where powder charge is more for lead than jacketed bullets! Lead bullet powder charge is ALWAYS less than jacketed, no matter the cartridge. Try "Reloading Pages of M.D. Smith" online, should find a charge weight for a load workup.
 
I've never seen a manual where powder charge is more for lead than jacketed bullets! Lead bullet powder charge is ALWAYS less than jacketed, no matter the cartridge. Try "Reloading Pages of M.D. Smith" online, should find a charge weight for a load workup.

You’re comparing light “cowboy action” lead loads to full tilt jacketed bullet loads. If it takes less force to send it down the barrel, it’ll tale more powder to get the pressure/speed up to where it needs to be.
 
I've never seen a manual where powder charge is more for lead than jacketed bullets! Lead bullet powder charge is ALWAYS less than jacketed, no matter the cartridge. Try "Reloading Pages of M.D. Smith" online, should find a charge weight for a load workup.

That's been my experience also. For the same velocity, using the same powder, more powder is required for a jacketed bullet of the same weight. There may be some exceptions with pistol cartridges but I'm not aware of any.

If anyone has any info that refutes that I would be interested in seeing it.
 
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That's been my experience also. For the same velocity, using the same powder, more powder is required for a jacketed bullet of the same weight. There may be some exceptions with pistol cartridges but I'm not aware of any.

If anyone has any info that refutes that I would be interested in seeing it.
I hear you, but the Lyman manual shows about 0.3 grain more for the lead 90 gr bullet vs the jacketed. At least with W231, that is. Check it out.
 
You’re comparing light “cowboy action” lead loads to full tilt jacketed bullet loads. If it takes less force to send it down the barrel, it’ll tale more powder to get the pressure/speed up to where it needs to be.
This makes a lot of sense. I learned something today.
 
That's been my experience also. For the same velocity, using the same powder, more powder is required for a jacketed bullet of the same weight. There may be some exceptions with pistol cartridges but I'm not aware of any.

If anyone has any info that refutes that I would be interested in seeing it.

Really no point in arguing any of this, but if you have a decent supply of loading manuals, there are a number of examples. From the Lyman Pistol and Revolver Book #3, there is a comparison of a Speer 230 RN jacketed bullet and the very popular Lyman #452374 design which makes a 225 grain cast bullet of virtually the same configuration as the Speer bullet.

A few max. loads for the jacketed bullet:
Unique 6.6
SR4756 7.0
Blue Dot 9.2

For the cast bullet:
Unique 7.3
SR4756 7.5
Blue Dot 10.7
 
I've never seen a manual where powder charge is more for lead than jacketed bullets! Lead bullet powder charge is ALWAYS less than jacketed, no matter the cartridge. Try "Reloading Pages of M.D. Smith" online, should find a charge weight for a load workup.

I don't know but in my experience, lead bullets generally have a lower max charge than jacketed. Granted the jacketed are being pushed harder.

I just browsed the Accurate data online and it bears me out.
 
I don't know but in my experience, lead bullets generally have a lower max charge than jacketed. Granted the jacketed are being pushed harder.

I just browsed the Accurate data online and it bears me out.
Lyman doesn't bear you out.
 
Most lead bullet loads are listed with lower powder charges, because you need less powder to match the velocity of a jacketed bullet of the same weight and configuration. And cast bullet shooters usually want comfortable, lower velocity loads for practice and range use.

Don't forget, the original factory, rip-snortin high velocity magnum loads for the .357 and .44 mag were lead. You know, the ones modern reloaders lament that they can't get with modern jacketed bullet loads.

Big game handgun hunters who reload know you can get higher velocities, and use more powder with hard cast bullets than you can with the otherwise equell jacketed bullet. Less bore friction with lead allows for it.

Larry
 
i have seen quite different load ranges for the same powder/bullet weight combinations from different manufacturers. get a .380 load book for $14 and you can compare pretty quickly what different companies recommend.
 
Is there typically a difference in the amount of powder one would use for a lead vs a jacketed bullet?
I'm wanting to load some 100 gr RNFP bullets in .380, but none of my manuals have load data for a lead 100 grain bullet in .380. I'm using Win 231 powder.


As you've probably read above, there's no one rule for loading jacketed vs lead.

I mainly load 102gn and 105gn coated lead in 380 and have used a lot of W231(HP-38). Just about all of my best (most accurate) loads use right around 3 grains or a few tenths under, and function all my 380's reliably.

Here's a screenshot from Lyman 48th.
 

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