Smith & Wesson Forum

Advertise With Us Search
Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > Ammunition-Gunsmithing > Reloading

Reloading All Reloading Topics Go Here


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-07-2021, 10:14 AM
teletech teletech is offline
Member
smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source?  
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 763
Likes: 109
Liked 730 Times in 356 Posts
Default smokeless powder storage bottle source?

An elderly fellow I've know for years has decided at 80 it's time to quit reloading. He gathered up all the powder he had an sold it to me. I won't say just how much there is but I will say that I'll have to spread it out over several locations in order to not violate local fire codes!
Anyway, one thing that is an annoyance is the sheer size of some of the containers relative to the remaining contents. The pound of Unique left in the bottom of the 8-pound container, that sort of thing. Yes, I know the lawyers made the manufacturers all say don't repackage powders but as long as you are careful to maintain label fidelity I'm fine with it. So, where to find appropriate containers?
Yes, I learned years ago to not throw out my empties, but the WWII 4831 that he'd stored in glass jars used up those. Amazon and Ebay have nice darkroom/reagent bottles (at like $6/ea!) but I was hoping for something rather cheaper.
Side note, the WWII 4831 that has been stored in a temperate environment still works great. I just wish it were 4895.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg DSC_0859.jpg (102.1 KB, 154 views)

Last edited by teletech; 07-07-2021 at 12:08 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-07-2021, 10:24 AM
rosewood's Avatar
rosewood rosewood is offline
Member
smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source?  
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Georgia
Posts: 2,466
Likes: 5,425
Liked 2,475 Times in 1,161 Posts
Default

Use modern powder bottles, but be sure to label well?? I toss them out all the time when I empty one.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-07-2021, 10:28 AM
LostintheOzone's Avatar
LostintheOzone LostintheOzone is offline
US Veteran
smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source?  
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: WA.
Posts: 4,649
Likes: 4,729
Liked 4,708 Times in 2,296 Posts
Default

Costco empty nut containers. I save those for situations like this. Maybe you know someone who could spare a few.
__________________
That's just somebody talkin.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #4  
Old 07-07-2021, 10:32 AM
Nevada Ed's Avatar
Nevada Ed Nevada Ed is offline
US Veteran
smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source?  
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Reno Nv
Posts: 13,749
Likes: 3,337
Liked 13,271 Times in 5,904 Posts
Default

You can use the tall Planters Peanuts 16 oz. jar in a pinch but the heavy wall powder jugs are the best and safest if you can get any.

Other wise there are the heavy square plastic jars in the dollor or hoby stores.

PS;
AA Target...........
Great stuff if you load for shotguns.

Have fun with the oldies but goodies.

Last edited by Nevada Ed; 07-07-2021 at 10:36 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-07-2021, 12:19 PM
Just another 22 shooter's Avatar
Just another 22 shooter Just another 22 shooter is offline
Member
smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source?  
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: midwest
Posts: 1,854
Likes: 5,546
Liked 2,914 Times in 981 Posts
Default

I have empty 1# canisters that I was going to throw into the recycle bin. I can get 7 into a large flat rate USPS box. If you pay postage($21.90) , you can have them.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-07-2021, 01:01 PM
Sevens Sevens is offline
Member
smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source?  
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Ohio
Posts: 8,267
Likes: 10,589
Liked 15,865 Times in 5,387 Posts
Default

I known that there are folks who know plastics, I’m not one of them. But if you repackage them in plastic, it cannot simply be any old peanut container that works great for brass. For many powders, it -has- to be the proper makeup of plastic or the contents will eat through the plastic AND/OR change the chemical composition and burn rate of the powder.

Titegroup for example etched and ate and destroyed the hopper on my Lyman 55 because I was dumb enough to leave the hopper filled with it for a number of days, which I knew that I shouldn’t do.

Please find old used powder containers or chase down the specific plastic info you need.
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
  #7  
Old 07-07-2021, 03:48 PM
weatherby's Avatar
weatherby weatherby is offline
SWCA Member
smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source?  
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Western ,Ma.
Posts: 6,330
Likes: 13,052
Liked 14,388 Times in 3,572 Posts
Default

If your not opposed to using glass
Mason Jars would be cheap and very effective IMHO.
__________________
Paul
S&WCA #2726
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #8  
Old 07-07-2021, 04:14 PM
teletech teletech is offline
Member
smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source?  
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 763
Likes: 109
Liked 730 Times in 356 Posts
Default

Apparently powder is slightly photosensitive, so fine in your hopper for a bit but that rules out clear containers for long-term (years/decades). It's also slightly acidic which means it isn't safe for all types of plastic.
Some folks have good luck with well-washed used motor-oil bottles. That seems like a lot of work to me and I'm hoping for a wider-mouth container for pour-back anyway, otherwise I'd e very tempted to use hydrogen-peroxide bottles.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #9  
Old 07-07-2021, 04:30 PM
Revoman's Avatar
Revoman Revoman is offline
Member
smokeless powder storage bottle source?  
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 559
Likes: 712
Liked 477 Times in 175 Posts
Default

Check out Uline or Granger. Poly bottles, I bought brown ones years ago when I was in the same situation.

Plastic bottles can be found cheap the internet is your friend.
__________________
Goal Life Member
Traveling Man
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 07-07-2021, 06:33 PM
ruggyh's Avatar
ruggyh ruggyh is offline
SWCA Member
smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source?  
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: North Texas
Posts: 1,374
Likes: 187
Liked 1,716 Times in 654 Posts
Default

FYI
The containers used today are made of conductive plastic to mitigate creating static.

Typical plastics are non conductive and allow static electric charges to be created.

PM me and can send you some empties.
__________________
be safe
Ruggy
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #11  
Old 07-08-2021, 12:12 AM
Nevada Ed's Avatar
Nevada Ed Nevada Ed is offline
US Veteran
smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source?  
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Reno Nv
Posts: 13,749
Likes: 3,337
Liked 13,271 Times in 5,904 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ruggyh View Post
FYI
The containers used today are made of conductive plastic to mitigate creating static.

Typical plastics are non conductive and allow static electric charges to be created.

PM me and can send you some empties.
I did not know that........
nice to learn that bit of information.
Thanks.

"Hay Harry............ scrack the peanut bottles off the list" .
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 07-08-2021, 07:19 AM
stansdds stansdds is offline
Member
smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source?  
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Virginia
Posts: 10,348
Likes: 26,114
Liked 14,605 Times in 6,512 Posts
Default

I know those containers take up a lot of space, but I would not put powder into a different container. What happens if you label everything carefully, only to find at some later date the labels peeled from the bottles or perhaps the ink faded and is no longer legible? What if the powder degrades a new, plastic container or too much light passes through the new bottle and degrades the powder?
__________________
VCDL, GOA, NRA
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 07-08-2021, 09:06 AM
Steve912 Steve912 is offline
Member
smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source?  
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 2,444
Likes: 4,172
Liked 2,330 Times in 1,194 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ruggyh View Post
FYI
The containers used today are made of conductive plastic to mitigate creating static.

Typical plastics are non conductive and allow static electric charges to be created.
Glass can allow static build up, too.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 07-08-2021, 09:48 AM
diyj98 diyj98 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: WV
Posts: 2,713
Likes: 539
Liked 3,224 Times in 1,437 Posts
Default

Just mix the powder from the different cans into one of the bigger cans............ obviously I'm kidding. There's a guy who sells powder at some of the local gun shows. I noticed his powder didn't appear to be in factory containers. He told me he buys in bulk and pours the powder into smaller containers for resale. That turned me off buying his powder since one little screw up can have drastic results.

You might try Uline. They sell various size F style plastic containers including black ones for UV sensitive contents.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 07-08-2021, 10:51 AM
gwpercle's Avatar
gwpercle gwpercle is offline
Member
smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source?  
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Baton Rouge, La.
Posts: 7,487
Likes: 9,008
Liked 9,265 Times in 4,124 Posts
Default

I thought finding plastic containers to contain gun powder would be easy ...
It's not . The container material has to be anti-static , evidently ...static electricity can build up in the wrong type plastic ... and the spark sets of a fire !
it also must resist the chemicals in gunpowder that react with most plastics and eat it up . And the plastics cannot pass light as light degrades powders .
I did some looking but haven't found a source for just a few bottles ...
I'm going to keep looking and if I find something ...report back .
To think ... surplus powders from WWII were sometimes sold in a brown paper bag !!!
Gary
__________________
Certified Cajun
NRA Member
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #16  
Old 07-08-2021, 11:13 AM
teletech teletech is offline
Member
smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source?  
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 763
Likes: 109
Liked 730 Times in 356 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by stansdds View Post
I know those containers take up a lot of space, but I would not put powder into a different container. What happens if you label everything carefully, only to find at some later date the labels peeled from the bottles or perhaps the ink faded and is no longer legible? What if the powder degrades a new, plastic container or too much light passes through the new bottle and degrades the powder?
I just don't have the space to store several 8# cans with a pound or less in each.
I know they have somehow survived sometimes decades in cardboard tubes, but I'm after a more airtight and controlled storage. Well, that's part of whey I'm being careful about which bottles I'm using. I don't think my labels are any more likely to fail than the factory labels, and if they do, well I got some fertilizer out of the deal.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 07-08-2021, 11:22 AM
teletech teletech is offline
Member
smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source?  
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 763
Likes: 109
Liked 730 Times in 356 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by diyj98 View Post
... He told me he buys in bulk and pours the powder into smaller containers for resale. That turned me off buying his powder since one little screw up can have drastic results. ...
You might try Uline. They sell various size F style plastic containers including black ones for UV sensitive contents.
I used to buy from Pat's reloading and he did the same thing, buy huge lots and package into smaller containers. I still have some of his milsurp powders from back in the day. Obviously, there is always a chance of something going wrong and the smaller the supplier, the less you know they will be around to be responsible.
I'm not 100% sure the risk from someone who is conscientious repackaging is greater than new unopened powder that has been stored badly. It's just true that there is some risk with anything and that risk increases the more time and links in the chain between the producer and the end user.

I have moral issues with how Uline does business, so that's problematic for me.
It's easy to get reagent-grade containers, if you want to pay $15 for three or $2/ea if you want some hundreds. My problem is being in-between.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 07-08-2021, 11:41 AM
mtgianni mtgianni is offline
Member
smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source?  
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: SW MT
Posts: 7,471
Likes: 12,048
Liked 6,982 Times in 3,426 Posts
Default

After the powder shortage in the early 90's a friend bought 33 lbs of H4831. I bought some from him and stored it in 2 liter pop bottles, 4 lbs to the bottle. Keep it dry and out of the sun and it will be fine. IIRC Chrono data was the same after 15 years.
__________________
Front sight and squeeze
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #19  
Old 07-16-2021, 10:53 AM
teletech teletech is offline
Member
smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source?  
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 763
Likes: 109
Liked 730 Times in 356 Posts
Default

While I haven't solved the general problem of where to buy containers in bulk that are identical to the ones manufacturers use, thanks to "Just another 22 shooter" and "Ruggy" I'm in much better shape! Thanks so much you two, you helped me free up some valuable space on the powder shelf!
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 07-16-2021, 11:10 AM
AlHunt AlHunt is offline
Member
smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source?  
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 2,514
Likes: 5,988
Liked 3,059 Times in 1,375 Posts
Default

It sounds like you've got more powder than most people could use. And it's not going to last forever.

Why not share your good fortune and give away the 1-pound-in-8-pound containers to your reloading friends? Or, sell it along for whatever you have in it.

You'll make some pretty happy reloaders in the current drought.

Just a thought.
__________________
Just Say No - To Social Media
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 07-16-2021, 11:28 AM
kraynky's Avatar
kraynky kraynky is offline
Member
smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source?  
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Central Kentucky
Posts: 3,256
Likes: 12,035
Liked 5,561 Times in 2,073 Posts
Default

Some of my old powder cans are just that, metal cans. With metal lids. Still have some. Others are made from cardboard, with metal tops and bottoms, with plastic caps. Who knows?

I never downsize or mix powders, even the same powder.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 07-16-2021, 11:53 AM
teletech teletech is offline
Member
smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source? smokeless powder storage bottle source?  
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 763
Likes: 109
Liked 730 Times in 356 Posts
Default

I brokered about 60Lbs for this fellow to other reloaders and wound up buying the rest from him for what would have been a high price "before" but judged fair under the circumstances now(couple grand). I'm happy to sell most of it onward for what I paid, but since I'm not set up for hazmat shipping it has to be local.

Quote:
Originally Posted by AlHunt View Post
It sounds like you've got more powder than most people could use. And it's not going to last forever.

Why not share your good fortune and give away the 1-pound-in-8-pound containers to your reloading friends? Or, sell it along for whatever you have in it.

You'll make some pretty happy reloaders in the current drought.

Just a thought.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
Reply


Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
What is the Best all around smokeless powder Jul Reloading 78 08-06-2017 01:01 AM
Smokeless powder.. Spokes Reloading 28 07-03-2017 08:07 AM
Does This Gun Use Black Powder Or Smokeless Powder? Dating H&R .32 Cal. Vest Pocket MackHR Firearms & Knives: Other Brands & General Gun Topics 2 07-08-2016 11:15 AM
Transition from black powder to smokeless powder. ETMJR S&W Antiques 4 03-02-2016 11:08 AM
Smokeless: in what year(s) were S&W revolvers 1st made for use with smokeless powder? Glenn s&c S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 24 05-18-2009 09:36 AM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:22 PM.


© 2000-2025 smith-wessonforum.com All rights reserved worldwide.
Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)