Winchester 28ga hulls

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Does anyone know if the Winchester super sport ammo uses the HS hull or is it different from the standard target load? I want to buy a flat of ammo but need them to be HS hulls for reloading purposes.


thanks....Jay
 
moonsterman said:
Does anyone know if the Winchester super sport ammo uses the HS hull or is it different from the standard target load? I want to buy a flat of ammo but need them to be HS hulls for reloading purposes.


thanks....Jay
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I have seen SS shells advertised as "high strength," so that may indicate they have HS hulls. From what I have read, AA/CF and HS cases, wads, and loads can be safely mixed and matched in reloading, even in the small gauges. And that makes perfect sense. I imagine there may be some debate over that. I suggest you should just contact customer service at Winchester to get an authoritative answer. You are not likely to get one here.
 
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I've found that the Federal Premium 28 ga. hull will reload just like the Winchester HS using the same components and powder charge.
 
The only real issue that I have experienced with the AA 28 ga hulls is that there are at least two different lengths hulls, which makes it interesting when reloading as the crimps of course are not the same.
I have all of mine separated due to this fact.
They are about .125" shorter and hard to detect when just grabbing some to reload, but they are shorter.
Just a word of warning if you start to see poor/inconsistent crimps on your reloads.
 
socal s&w said:
The only real issue that I have experienced with the AA 28 ga hulls is that there are at least two different lengths hulls, which makes it interesting when reloading as the crimps of course are not the same.
I have all of mine separated due to this fact.
They are about .125" shorter and hard to detect when just grabbing some to reload, but they are shorter.
Just a word of warning if you start to see poor/inconsistent crimps on your reloads.
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I have found 3 lengths! The printing on the hull is subtly different.

Chiefdave's comment about Federal Primum hulls is off a little bit. The same load in both hulls produces 50 to 75 FPS slower in federal. That doesn't really matter for hunting, but for Sporting Clays it will mess you up on crossing shots!

Ivan
 
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Wow, I haven't run across a third different length....yet!
Thanks for the heads up, I'll have to keep my eyes peeled when the crimps run amok.
 
Ivan the Butcher said:
Chiefdave's comment about Federal Primum hulls is off a little bit. The same load in both hulls produces 50 to 75 FPS slower in federal. That doesn't really matter for hunting, but for Sporting Clays it will mess you up on crossing shots!

Ivan
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I've noticed no difference between the HS and Federal's at skeet stations 3, 4 and 5. If my lead and swing are in sync the target breaks, if not I miss but skeet is a close range game.
 
The Federal, Rios, Estates, Fiocchi etc etc straight wall cases usually need approx 1/2 grain of the normal 28 ga powders to earn the same velocities as the tapered wall cases. I used all of them in 28 ga because they are harder to find and especially do not last as many reloads on average...my powders for 28 ga encompassed many but usually Unique Herco Win 540/HS-6, Win 571/HS-7 and a couple others. I used 1/2 gr more in all the straight walls...STS and real AA CF cases took less powders...the newer AAs are more of a straight wall case design than the old AA compression formed cases. To be honest for most 28 ga shooting(appox 35 yds) you really can't tell much difference in lead... in skeet I usually broke my out going targets before center field...incomers just my side of the center stake. Last 20 years I really didn't use 12 ga. but tried to keep velocities in all gauges at about 1145 ft second...better patterns in all gauges...Intl skeet was a completely different game...Olympic Trap Doubles too. Live pigeon was a serious game and I shot 3 1/4 -1 1/4 factory loads...It's a rich man sport...and my Pigeon Gun is an O/U that punishes you with 3 3/4 dram loads.
 
I went to a live pigeon shoot once when I lived in Midland TX. It was indeed a rich mans "sport". Mainly the multimillionaire local oilmen, ranchers, and quite a few outsider pro live pigeon shooters, none of which were me. I was just an observer. They had a casino set up inside the clubhouse with high stakes roulette, blackjack, craps, and a few other table games with pro Vegas dealers.and of course high stakes betting on the shooters. And some flashy pro women for rent. There were a few trailers set up for them to sell their wares. You had to know someone to get admission, which I did. It was held at a very private location, no advertising at all. I never had any desire whatsoever to go to another live pigeon shoot. That was my first and last.
 
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Was in San Antone at a pigeon shoot. Was meeting up with a couple other fellows going to the World Pigeon shoot in Guadalajara Mexico. Won 650 bucks. I bought a beautiful O/U pigeon gun for 600 dollars. I was shooting a Browning Broadway trap gun. Not the most responsive pigeon shooting gun. That gun literally crushed pigeons. Not a high end30,000 dollar gun...but I still have it. Franchi Pigeon gun. Has Boat Oar looking 30 line to the inch checkering Hard as a rock Walnut. Color case hardened receiver. Got back from Mexico with about 750-800 dollars more'n I started with. The World's champeen won about 175,000 dollars. Probably chump change to him. Guns worth a bit north of 4 grand now
 
The thing that repulsed me most was all the wounded pigeons wandering around the grounds. I can take the gambling and women, not all the dying birds. For those unfamiliar, it takes a two-man team, the shooter and the runner. The bird has to be brought down inside a large circle around the release traps (the shooter stands outside the circle), and has to stay inside the circle to count as dead. That is where the runner comes in. He runs out after a bird has been brought down and must grab it if still alive so it stays inside the circle. There may be other variations on that, but that is what I saw. Organized live pigeon shoots are currently illegal in Texas under a state animal cruelty law but I suspect very few involved in the activity are ever charged with any criminal act.
 
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One of the things that bothered me too. But can say in places where they are still held here in the US...the organizers clean them up. In Mexico they were cleaned up pretty quickly too. In Maryland there were some live bird shoots at Remington Farms way back. What they shot the one time I shot was captured Starlings. A lot harder than pigeons. I don't know how they caught them...but pretty sure bait area and a net or two. Nasty birds. When we shot nuisance pigeons we had to clean up any cripples...esp in towns. the bird boys used pellet guns. I took a Sheridan. Still have it. My bird boy would usually take a 100 and breast 'em out for his family. I would usually take 50 for my grandmother and aunt
 
socal s&w said:
The only real issue that I have experienced with the AA 28 ga hulls is that there are at least two different lengths hulls.
They are about .125" shorter and hard to detect when just grabbing some to reload, but they are shorter.
Just a word of warning if you start to see poor/inconsistent crimps on your reloads.
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I discovered this when I started randomly getting different looking crimps and when I investigated, the hulls marked #8 shot, were shorter. They still close and the crimps are slightly convex (almost as if they were bulging) at the end when compared to the longer length.
I only have maybe 1/2 dozen boxes of them and I wasn't going to start adjusting my press to accommodate them.
 
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