LOL!...Nice Merril....

Did S&W ever make N-frame round-butt PC Magna grips/stocks? I'd like to put a set on my new-to-me S&W 625-6 Mountain Gun:



(here it's wearing a set of K-frame round-butt PC Magnas and a K-frame round-butt Tyler T-grip)

Genius... makes my heart smile.. dare I say more

Thank You for this side by side picture, now I can really see the difference in the checkering.

Were thumbrest style stocks ever an option?

Not as a factory option.

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valkyriekl,
If you're handy with woodworking tools, you can whittle a set out of N-frame magnas.
BTW, in trying to find some wood grips for my RB 629, I discovered that a set of gutta perchas for the New Model No. 3 were a near-perfect fit. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Larry

Shouldn't be too difficult.

I'm looking at a different idea, though: taking a set of N-frame square-butt magnas and whittling some wood to make the appropriate filler pieces to fit them on the round-butt grip frame of my Mountain Gun. There's just something about the 4" S&W wearing square-butt magnas and a T-grip that really works for me, whereas a round-butt 4" gun looks kinda funny to me.

Thank you all who posted. This is a wonderful reference tool.

I Frame extended Targets for 22/32 Heavy Target, vintage 1926.


Extended Targets Single Shot, vintage 1917.


I Frame standard stocks, 38 Regulation Police, vintage 1925.


Rosewood Square butt stocks Mod. 1, 2nd issue, vintage 1867.


.32 Double Action 5th Mod. stocks Hard Rubber, vintage 1911


Mod 40 standard stocks, (not High Horn), vintage 1972


38 M&P First Model Black Hard Rubber, vintage 1901.


Pre-27 non relieved Diamond Walnut Targets, Vintage 1953.


Black Rubber Hogue finger groove, Mod 29-3 vintage 1988.




Black Hard Rubber stocks Mod 1 1/2 (Centerfire) 2nd Issue, vintage 1879.


Red Mottled Hard Rubber stocks Mod 1 1/2 (Centerfire) 2nd Issue, vintage 1887.

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SWCA1967 SWHF244

Great show, Mr. Richard - Thanks for sharing.

Pete (The Oldfella)

As long as we are following strict S&W protocol, grips are stocks - checkering is checking - crane is yoke.

Unfortunately, over the years, as ownership or management came and went, some of the "other" terms crept into S&W literature.

As far as stock medallions or monograms is concerned, The D-2 catalog from January 1921 states,

Monograms

We have discontinued the policy of placing the gold S&W Monograms in the Wood Stocks and hereafter all of our arms will be marked with the S&W Monogram on the frame as we feel this to be a far better place for this identifying Trade Mark.
It cannot easily be removed from the frame, which is the case when Stocks are changed, and then again in omitting the Monograms from the Wood Stocks it enables us to build them much fuller at this point, thereby giving the User a better hand hold."

And just to confuse things a little, "Cokes" were not all checked, some came smooth, so the amount of checking cannot always be used as the identifying factor. The main thing to look for is the flared bottom that sweeps inward as you move upward and then the curve back out and in again. Think of the shape of the old glass coke bottles and you will be able to differentiate them.

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LM #497

I recently picked up a nice Pre-29 4 screw which had the stocks replaced. I would like to find out what stocks might have been available from the factory in the time frame that my S170xxx was produced. What I think I have found out so far is that the threaded metal escutcheon that the screw goes into should be flush with each side of the stocks not sunken like the later stocks. Also, there should be a diamond patern around the screw inside the checkering. My 4" Pre-29 revolver has TH and TT. Would it only have come with TS? Did any in that time frame come with smooth stocks? Only walnut?

The standard would have been the diamond walnut checkered Target stocks. The "coke" style and any other type would have been a special order or replacement.

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SWCA LM 2023, SWHF 220

Hello Pete
Great thread you started here.. I will Pitch one out there, that has been controversy in the past. The Coveted Coke Grip's made by S&W for the N-Frame Pre-29's, are said to be the Only Coke Grips S&W made. I would not agree with this totally though.. They made the K-Sq. Frame target grips with the Slight Palm swell that the Coke-N-Sq. Frame profile grips have as well. The difference I see between the two is, that the K-Sq. frame Grips that have the Slight profile, But lack the amount of checking coverage that the larger-N-Sq. Frame Coke Grips have. Now in looking at the two different Frame sizes, one cannot argue that the smaller K-Sq. Frame Grips {Do Not} have the Slight Palm swell, so perhaps we need to call the K-Sq. Frame Grips "Coke Profile with slightly smaller Profile of it's checking" ? Here is such a set of the K-Sq. Frame Palm swell target grips I speak of that I have on my No Dash Model 48. You be the Judge as to whether these have "a Coke Profile" to them from the rear view of them shown... Hammerdown



S&W Factory K-Sq. Coke Profile Target grips

Ummm.... You might want to go back and recheck your information source for that answer. It's a well known fact that the so-called "Coke Bottle" style of target stocks were the standard stocks on all .44 Magnums from the very begining of production until well into the 1960's. Cokes were also 'standard' on the first Model 57's as well.

Mark

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Hello Mark
Great Point. The grip design changes at S&W are sketchy at best. The very first Large style Target grips , after the two Piece ones they Offered for a very short time span, were seen and sent as standard offered stock's on the larger N-Frame Target revolvers such as the "Model of 1950" 45's being Pre-25's and some other large Frame Target model revolver's as well. These were Non Relieved and Non-Coke profile, & are often confused with the later Pre-29 Coke profile stocks.They do not have the Palm swell nor the amount of broad checkering seen on the Coke profile stocks. The design efforts reversed as Later on, when we saw the Palm swell dissapear, along with the broad coverage of checkering as they went back down to the smaller coverage of checkering that they used in the Pre-Coke stocks.

For some unknown reason S&W was real slow to change over to the larger style Target grips on their guns. Walter Roper actually worked for the factory and tried to persuade them to make Target stocks way before they did, but to no avail. S&W stuck with their Magna's and earlier service grips with adaptors for many years while other Gun Manufacturer's and after Market stock makers offered the larger style Target stocks, S&W refused to change. After Roper left S&W he had Matheis Gagne make his Famous stocks, that were prompted by the Camp perry shooter's and his son Albert who worked for Matheis under his Guidance making the Famous Custom Roper stocks & Later came to work for S&W when his Father retired.

I have always speculated that Perhap's Albert Gagne may have been the Original driving force behind the Birth of the Coke Profile stocks with their Gentle Palm swell that shared a same Likeness to his Father's custom made Target stocks. Albert was also on the S&W Factory shooting Team when he worked there, and worked in their design & Development department.. Here is an early {1950" Time Span} set of S&W Factory Non-Relieved Non-Coke profile stock's that I have. They like most of that time span have no serial numbers or markings of any kind on the rear of them as shown...

Is anyone still selling the reproduction grip adapters? I have a nice Pre 27 with stag grips and would like to use the original type grip adapter with them.
Thanks,
ttc1923

Blue 6 1/2" brl SB SN 122624 1st change concave top grips
Nickel 4" brl SB SN 412294 4th change convex top grips
Nickel 4" brl SB SN 435732 4th change pearl concave top grips
Blue 4" brl SB SN 566388 4th change convex top grips
Flush silver medallion grips

Are the pearl grips period or factory S&W?

Can anyone date these four revolvers?

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BlackSky,

Today is my first with this forum. Posting, such as yours on the different stocks, as there is much for me to learn.

References to 4 or 5 screws, different frames, etc and I don't even know what all that means. Thanks to you and others, in time I will learn.

I just bought a .38 15-4 with serial #20K7xxx. It is real nice and appears almost like new. It has the (from above) square butt Magna stocks, but they don't match the quality of the gun. So, they may have switched when the previous owner had it.

If I ask some really elementary questions, please bear with me.

Hello 2far2late
Welcome to the forum ! A Four screw frame means that the revolver has Three side plate screws{One under the right grip panel} and one in front of the trigger guard making it a Four screw example. A Five screw model has Four side plate screws {One Under thr right grip panel} and one in front of the trigger guard making it a Five screw model. Don't be afraid to Ask questions we all like to teach & learn from each other here on the forum. Regards, Hammerdown

Welcome to the board, friend.

Pete (The Oldfella)

Didnt see any high horn J frame round butts posted so here goes.
High horn J frame smooth


Standard round butt checkered grips top
Checkered diamond high horns below

As usual very helpful information in this thread. I see Smith grips for sale all the time at gun shows and really never noticed the differences before.
Is it a good idea to pick up used grips at a good price for resale? Gotta buy something at the gunshows right....LOL...Which grips are the most desirable from a collectors viewpoint?

Regards,

Dale

I have a model 36 with a set of Magna Diamonds. However the grip screw is missing and while comparing these grips with my other S&W revolvers I've noticed the missing screw to be smaller in diameter. Can someone tell me the screw size of this smaller screw?

This has been a very educational thread. I appreciate all the info that's available on this site.

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K Frame Square Butt

1. S&W Non-Relieved Smooth Target (Rosewood) x 2
2. S&W Relieved Smooth Target (Goncalo Alves)
3. S&W Relieved Smooth Target (Rosewood) x 2
4. S&W Relieved Diamond Target (Rosewood) x 2
5. Sanderson RH Thumbrest (Walnut)
6. Sanderson RH Thumbrest (Fancy Walnut)

N Frame Square Butt

7. S&W Non-Relieved Smooth Target (Rosewood)
8. S&W Non-Relieved Smooth Target (Goncalo Alves)
9. S&W Non-Relieved Smooth Target (Goncalo Alves) *Keith Brown Embellished*
10. S&W Relieved “Coke Bottle” Diamond Target (Goncalo Alves)
11. S&W Relieved Smooth Target (Goncalo Alves)
12. S&W Relieved Diamond Target (Walnut)
13. Sanderson RH Thumbrest (Cherry)

Jeremy - really nice slide show, and some very nice and rare stocks! Thanks for sharing!

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Is that a Model 28?

It’s a Model 27-2 with a 3-½” barrel.



This is a 28-2 (4“). Both models came standard with Magna stocks until the mid-1970’s, when the 27-2’s received a presentation case, target trigger, target hammer and target stocks as standard equipment.

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Do all Cokes have a diamond?

To the OP; good thread. Thanks!

Hello MWark
To answer your question, Yes all Coke profile Target stocks do have diamond's, with the Exception being "Smooth Target stocks" Only. They Phased out the Coke profile in the mid to late 1960s time span and all Diamond's dissapeared on all other S&W stock's in or around the 1968 time span...

I picked up my new 625-2 today. It came with a new set smooth combat. Nice but a bit short for my grip.

So , I dig into the grip box and pulled out a set of smooth Banana's. They fit well,, there is a 1/8 gap at the heal.

I'm not sure they are N or J/K frame. In looking around I saw checkered bananas but no smooth nor N frame?? These bananas are serialized 736..

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JJ BPK,

Those are round butt K frame grips. They will also fit a RB L frame revolver as well.

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WAR EAGLE!

OK,, I thought I had purchased them for a M-66 way back.. I have not had a K frame in over 25 yrs, so these have sat..

But, Why do they fit the 625??

Thanks..

The round butt N frame was 'sort of' sized to be much like the round butt K frame, because that grip size has proven over time to be "so right" with shooters, but they aren't exactly the same. Notice how much of the frame near the top of your gun's grips are exposed.

You can put a set of standard K frame square butt target stocks on a square butt N frame and they will 'sort of' fit the same way, which is to say, not quite right.

I did notice the slight mis-alignment at the back-strap.

I like the feel of the grip. It is a little longer (3/16??) and front
to back, thinner..

I'll start looking for another set...thanks..

Back in the box they go...

PS: Who makes a bearhug style??

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Don't know about you other feller's ....... but this thread was fascinating to read .......and I must say along with the wood
it gave me .........;

it made me very fond of starting to collect these old treasures

How long were the non-relief (w/o the football) target grips for the K-model made? I have a pair on my K-22 5-screw c1955 that I think is too late for these.

The square butt, non-medallion early stocks. These numbered to gun made about 1919,serial number 3646xx.
10/22

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1955-'56 should be correct.
DW

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I agree that the non-relieved were {made} until 1955-56 but the inventory was {used up} til end of late 50's. I have a four screw K22 from 1959 that left the factory with non-relived , checkered Targets.
The Factory continued to sell them as an accessory as late as 1960. A member on another Forum has a NOS set in a S&W box post-marked 1960

Gentlemen - I Thank you!

really like this thread - super valuable info

+1. This thread is great.

NICE JOB OF EXPLANATION... THANKS

Recently some rosewood K-Frame magnas went for really big bucks on ebay ($460+) and I was wondering if you folks had any idea why other than them being in new condition and offered by a fellow we all recognize by his ape-like presence around here?
I am curious mostly because I have these N- frame rosewood magnas and might consider putting them up on ebay is it would finance 2/3 ds of another nice revolver.
Any information about era, S&W manufacture, history etc??
They did not come to me on a gun, they have flush mounted nickel hardware, and show dandy grain in my opinion.

Steve those are some mighty fine magnas and as most come in walnut these are hard to find. I do think that auction was mostly a pi$$ing match and not the real worth. I'd put them at half that in the real world. Then again you might get lucky. BTW, sure do admire your multiple talents.
DW

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Thanks DWF. I'm working on a set of English walnut N-frame magnas, will post a pick when a bit further along. Maybe smooth, maybe checker??

I sure do like those rosewood grips. I saw them at the local GS on Friday and it took me until Sunday to find something he wanted to trade for.

Now this is a GREAT help!
I really am appreciative of it. Thanx.
Now help me out with what grips are on my 1910 M&P.
Bill

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Those are likely aftermarket plastic grips made by Franzite.