Smith & Wesson Forum

Advertise With Us Search
Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > Smith & Wesson Revolvers > S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961

Notices

S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 All 5-Screw & Vintage 4-Screw SWING-OUT Cylinder REVOLVERS, and the 35 Autos and 32 Autos


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-16-2011, 09:02 PM
hunterdeneugene's Avatar
hunterdeneugene hunterdeneugene is offline
Member
Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question...  
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: WNY
Posts: 146
Likes: 14
Liked 73 Times in 19 Posts
Default Combat Masterpiece question...

As I posted in an earlier thread, I recently picked up this combat masterpiece. I looked at a couple since and I noticed that one that I looked at it had 2 pins on the front sight. As you can see mine doesn't and the other one I looked at didn't either. Why would one have a pinned front sight and another wouldn't. All were pre Model 15's. Was this a change before the model numbers?

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 03-16-2011, 09:10 PM
hsguy hsguy is offline
Moderator
Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question...  
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Suburban Chicago
Posts: 5,202
Likes: 1,048
Liked 6,619 Times in 1,535 Posts
Default

You want to look very closely under magnification to see if the pins are polished flush and blued over. They may be very hard to see.
__________________
John. SWCA #1586
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-16-2011, 09:28 PM
Engine49guy's Avatar
Engine49guy Engine49guy is offline
Member
Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question...  
Join Date: May 2009
Location: South Florida
Posts: 7,785
Likes: 2,487
Liked 8,327 Times in 2,923 Posts
Default

It is my understanding that they all have set pins except the older models are not polished flush.

I have a "pre" Model 18 from 1951 that has flush pins ,
In contrast
I have a "Pre" Model 27 from 1954 that has them exposed.

A friend recently suggested that at some point as they came down the assembly line it depended on the finishing workers level of skill to polish them flush or not.

Certainly at some point in time they dissappeared completely on all models...

I am certain someone more informed will solve the mystery soon...

BTW,
Very Nice pre Model 15...
I LOVE the "HIGH SPEED" Hammer.... Is it a 5 screw gun with 6 groove backstrap?

Last edited by Engine49guy; 03-16-2011 at 09:42 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03-16-2011, 09:30 PM
hunterdeneugene's Avatar
hunterdeneugene hunterdeneugene is offline
Member
Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question...  
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: WNY
Posts: 146
Likes: 14
Liked 73 Times in 19 Posts
Default

if they are polished flush they did a hell of a job as I cant tell... It is a 5 screw gun.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-16-2011, 09:46 PM
MAG-NUM's Avatar
MAG-NUM MAG-NUM is offline
Member
Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question...  
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Western PA
Posts: 600
Likes: 1,844
Liked 809 Times in 114 Posts
Default

I looked very closely at my 1957 model and I would say the front sight blade is machined on to the barrel. Under magnification, there are no signs of polished off pins or any discernible line on the front of the rib at the muzzle. Bob


Last edited by MAG-NUM; 03-16-2011 at 09:53 PM. Reason: photo added
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03-16-2011, 10:34 PM
DCWilson's Avatar
DCWilson DCWilson is offline
SWCA Member
Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question...  
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 13,997
Likes: 5,016
Liked 7,705 Times in 2,624 Posts
Default

Sometimes you can see the flush-polished pins in photos even though you can't see them on the gun. This subject has come up from time to time in the last couple of years, and as I recall there is no chronological import to whether the pins are flush or proud. Eventually, after the introduction of model numbers, the sight base was milled integrally with the barrel, and only the blade was pinned (as opposed to blade and base both).
__________________
David Wilson
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 03-16-2011, 11:14 PM
crsides crsides is offline
US Veteran
SWCA Member
Absent Comrade
Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question...  
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: upstate SC / Mtns SW Va
Posts: 4,789
Likes: 3,064
Liked 9,875 Times in 1,986 Posts
Default

My understanding on flush or proud pins - it depended on the whether there were optional front sights. Those models that could be ordered with a choice of front sights were more likely to have proud pins. Don't know the production cycle, but proud pins were easier to remove to change out a sight. I would imagine those with sights that were changed after the bbl was finished, were left proud.

If the model dictated on one front sight available, the pins were polished flushed. IF this is true, I am sure it changed over the years ... maybe a few times.

that's my story and I'm sticking to it.


Charlie
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 03-17-2011, 12:12 AM
Engine49guy's Avatar
Engine49guy Engine49guy is offline
Member
Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question...  
Join Date: May 2009
Location: South Florida
Posts: 7,785
Likes: 2,487
Liked 8,327 Times in 2,923 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by crsides View Post
My understanding on flush or proud pins - it depended on the whether there were optional front sights. Those models that could be ordered with a choice of front sights were more likely to have proud pins. Don't know the production cycle, but proud pins were easier to remove to change out a sight. I would imagine those with sights that were changed after the bbl was finished, were left proud.

If the model dictated on one front sight available, the pins were polished flushed. IF this is true, I am sure it changed over the years ... maybe a few times.
that's my story and I'm sticking to it. Charlie

Interesting theory and it would make sense in regards to the Model 27 but ...
The early transitional Model 18's and 15's were only available with Baughman sites and seem to have alot of proud front site pins ...
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 03-17-2011, 07:06 AM
hunterdeneugene's Avatar
hunterdeneugene hunterdeneugene is offline
Member
Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question...  
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: WNY
Posts: 146
Likes: 14
Liked 73 Times in 19 Posts
Default

some great information. So they are there, mine are just polished and buffed out but this would be a factory thing. I also can't see mine under magnification. It does have a 6 groove backstrap.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 03-17-2011, 07:35 AM
s&wchad's Avatar
s&wchad s&wchad is offline
Moderator
Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question...  
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Great Lakes State
Posts: 29,960
Likes: 12,837
Liked 34,139 Times in 8,026 Posts
Default

The pins can be very hard to see, but I suspect they're there. Get it in good light and hold it at an angle and you might see them. I’ve also seen both pin styles on early K-22 Combat Masterpiece revolvers.

The pins are more visible on this .357 barrel because a previous owner bulged it, which heaved the sight base.

__________________
"I also cook."

Last edited by s&wchad; 03-17-2011 at 07:39 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 03-17-2011, 10:13 AM
GF's Avatar
GF GF is offline
SWCA Member
Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question... Combat Masterpiece question...  
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Southern Indiana
Posts: 4,634
Likes: 2,805
Liked 4,156 Times in 1,126 Posts
Default

I think some were finished flush before bluing and some were not. I don't think there was a rhyme or reason.

Here's two early CM's shipped a year apart ('52 & 3) with "proud" and flush sight pins.



GF
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
baughman, combat masterpiece, k-22, masterpiece, model 15, model 27


Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Combat Masterpiece 15-2 & .38 SPL +P question Birdgun S&W Revolvers: 1961 to 1980 6 01-08-2017 10:47 AM
Combat Masterpiece 15-2 & .38 SPL +P question Birdgun S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 4 01-08-2017 01:51 AM
Combat Masterpiece stock question policerevolvercollector S&W Revolvers: 1961 to 1980 3 08-21-2014 10:16 AM
Combat Masterpiece question. Charles S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 3 09-11-2009 09:39 PM
A 5-screw Combat Masterpiece question RainDodger S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 15 06-12-2009 11:02 AM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:14 PM.


Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)