Smith & Wesson Forum

Advertise With Us Search
Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > Smith & Wesson Revolvers > S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961

S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 All 5-Screw & Vintage 4-Screw SWING-OUT Cylinder REVOLVERS, and the 35 Autos and 32 Autos


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-06-2011, 07:00 PM
xx78's Avatar
xx78 xx78 is offline
Member
pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed  
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 93
Likes: 39
Liked 25 Times in 11 Posts
Default pre model 18 info needed

I am looking at 5 screw pre model 18 and would like to know what year it was made. The revolver is in decent shape with minor rust on the trigger and a few nicks on the trigger guard from improper handling/storage. The bore and chambers are in great condition. The serial number is K115xxx. Thanks for any help.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-06-2011, 07:38 PM
Memphis Memphis is offline
Member
pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed  
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Eads, Tn, Unites State
Posts: 1,118
Likes: 2,938
Liked 885 Times in 283 Posts
Default

XX78.. Most likely the gun you are looking at was shipped in 1951. At least that is what I can tell from the books I have. Sounds like a good ole vintage .22 in one of the most popular models S&W produced.
If you get it...please post some pics.

Roger
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-06-2011, 08:28 PM
firestrat's Avatar
firestrat firestrat is offline
Member
pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed  
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Worn, Ohio.
Posts: 249
Likes: 0
Liked 11 Times in 4 Posts
Default

I have no idea it's year of man. but that is something I would love to own some day. A shooter would be perfect. Please give us a peak if you get it. Good luck.
__________________
Cheers!
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-06-2011, 10:05 PM
DCWilson's Avatar
DCWilson DCWilson is offline
SWCA Member
pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed  
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 12,994
Likes: 5,030
Liked 7,723 Times in 2,634 Posts
Default

K115589 (in my safe) shipped September 1951. It would appear that a few K-plus-five-digit Pre-18s shipped in the second half of 1950. A few more came out the next year, but it may not have been until 1952 and later that production increased significantly.

You are looking at an early one, and I think the minor rust on the trigger can probably be addressed successfully. If I were you, I would try hard to make the deal.

And please show photos when you have successfully concluded negotiations.
__________________
David Wilson
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-07-2011, 06:35 PM
Smithhound's Avatar
Smithhound Smithhound is offline
US Veteran
pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed  
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: SE Tennessee
Posts: 1,192
Likes: 0
Liked 308 Times in 108 Posts
Default

This is S/N K1987xx, I was lucky enough to get this from an old shop that is since closed. I had no sooner got it home when the owner called and asked if I'd be interested in selling it back, I've always believed he had put a low figure on it when he showed it to me and realized his screw up as I was walking out with it.
RD

__________________
Got a Phd from Hard Knocks U
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-07-2011, 06:46 PM
sqhead sqhead is offline
US Veteran
pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed  
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: east central fla.
Posts: 1,194
Likes: 319
Liked 373 Times in 200 Posts
Default

i have one in the safe k 2297xx,don't know the year.I picked it up in a pawn shop awhile back,400 otd,no box etc,it's 98 % ,kinda like the one just shown,real nice.does anyone have an idea the rarity and worth of these pre 18's?
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-07-2011, 07:15 PM
ralph7's Avatar
ralph7 ralph7 is offline
Member
pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed  
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 4,366
Likes: 9,266
Liked 6,421 Times in 2,229 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sqhead View Post
i have one in the safe k 2297xx,don't know the year.I picked it up in a pawn shop awhile back,400 otd,no box etc,it's 98 % ,kinda like the one just shown,real nice.does anyone have an idea the rarity and worth of these pre 18's?
made around 1954.
mine is #22977x, pm me and i will tell you how close we are. consecutive??
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-07-2011, 09:30 PM
DCWilson's Avatar
DCWilson DCWilson is offline
SWCA Member
pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed  
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 12,994
Likes: 5,030
Liked 7,723 Times in 2,634 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sqhead View Post
i have one in the safe k 2297xx,don't know the year.I picked it up in a pawn shop awhile back,400 otd,no box etc,it's 98 % ,kinda like the one just shown,real nice.does anyone have an idea the rarity and worth of these pre 18's?
With access to company records and enough time, we could get a pretty accurate count of the number of Pre-18s that were produced. I once tried to estimate the proportion of Pre-18s to Pre-17s and couldn't get very far. The proportion is probably between 1:5 and 1:20. In any event, Pre-18s are far less commonly encountered than the six-inch barreled revolvers we know as pre-17s.

Let's say there were about 300000 non-model marked K-frames produced. About half of them, or 150,000 would have been .22s, and almost all the rest .38s. (The number of K-32 Masterpieces is so small we can discount them.)

If five percent of the K-22s were Pre-18s, that would mean there were about 7500 of them. If closer to 20 percent, there might have been 30,000.

Don't take this as a serious numerical study. I'm just putting out a crude estimate to show a range of possibilities.
__________________
David Wilson
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 07-08-2011, 12:29 AM
xx78's Avatar
xx78 xx78 is offline
Member
pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed  
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 93
Likes: 39
Liked 25 Times in 11 Posts
Default

Well I bought the pre model 18 and have included a couple of not so good pictures. I also picked up a nice model 67 no dash with a stainless rear sight. And a Marlin model 1892 .22 LR made in 1905.
Now I have to figure out how to get the rust spots off of the trigger without removing the case color.

Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 07-08-2011, 12:39 AM
xx78's Avatar
xx78 xx78 is offline
Member
pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed  
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 93
Likes: 39
Liked 25 Times in 11 Posts
Default

Forgot to thank everyone for the help with the year of manufacture.
Thank you.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 07-08-2011, 01:20 AM
wraco wraco is offline
Member
pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed  
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Vancouver Island
Posts: 650
Likes: 293
Liked 190 Times in 77 Posts
Default

XX78, that's a fine looking K-22 revolver. As you probably already know, one is not enough. These K-frame 22 revolvers are very addictive.

I have a pre-18 coming in the mail, due anyday now, sn 124xxx. Would anyone be able give an approx date. Here's a couple of photos I received from the seller.

Regards:
Rod



Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 07-08-2011, 01:22 AM
Teddydog Teddydog is offline
Member
pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed  
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Tacoma, WA
Posts: 547
Likes: 51
Liked 811 Times in 171 Posts
Default

Try Flitz metal polish on that rusty trigger. Soft cloth, gentle pressure.

Rob
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 07-08-2011, 01:24 AM
xx78's Avatar
xx78 xx78 is offline
Member
pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed  
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 93
Likes: 39
Liked 25 Times in 11 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Teddydog View Post
Try Flitz metal polish on that rusty trigger. Soft cloth, gentle pressure.

Rob
Thanks for the tip I will give it a try.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 07-08-2011, 04:08 AM
DCWilson's Avatar
DCWilson DCWilson is offline
SWCA Member
pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed  
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 12,994
Likes: 5,030
Liked 7,723 Times in 2,634 Posts
Default

Rod, your gun may also be of 1951 manufacture based on the closeness of the serial number to xx78's piece, but it also might not have shipped until a year later. S&W had no policy of shipping in serial number order, but they always knew the date on which they shipped a particular S/N. You'd need to letter the gun to get that specific date, but in general you can say yours is likely to have shipped in the early 1950s.

xx78, I'm half afraid that dealing with the rust may compromise the case coloring. If that happens, there are shops that can retreat it for you after it is cleaned up. Possibly soaking the trigger in Kroil or Breakfree for a couple of days would get into the stain enough that you could clean it up with a burlap patch. I just don't know. Good luck.
__________________
David Wilson
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 07-08-2011, 09:46 AM
H Richard's Avatar
H Richard H Richard is online now
US Veteran
pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed  
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: West Central IL
Posts: 22,517
Likes: 18,857
Liked 22,625 Times in 8,334 Posts
Default

I'd recommend Corrosion X. Soak it for a day or two, then wipe down with a cleaning patch (no abrasive) and repeat as necessary. Good luck
__________________
H Richard
SWCA1967 SWHF244
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 07-08-2011, 11:20 AM
BlackAgnes's Avatar
BlackAgnes BlackAgnes is offline
US Veteran
pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed  
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: New York
Posts: 1,236
Likes: 4
Liked 3,960 Times in 465 Posts
Smile

Here are three of mine--the center one wears a set of Keith Brown's superb Ropers and is a very low serial number, K-908XX, placing it at about 1950. Note the flush-polished front sight pins and the slightly flattened front sight--both believed to be original features of very early Combat Masterpiece .22s.

The upper gun sports a set of Kurac's remarkable Coke-styled French Walnut grips. The lower gun is equipped with a vintage pair of diamond targets.

All are good shooters. I like the early post-war subdued finish, too.




Tim
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 07-09-2011, 12:09 AM
wraco wraco is offline
Member
pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed pre model 18 info needed  
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Vancouver Island
Posts: 650
Likes: 293
Liked 190 Times in 77 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DCWilson View Post
Rod, your gun may also be of 1951 manufacture based on the closeness of the serial number to xx78's piece, but it also might not have shipped until a year later. S&W had no policy of shipping in serial number order, but they always knew the date on which they shipped a particular S/N. You'd need to letter the gun to get that specific date, but in general you can say yours is likely to have shipped in the early 1950s. .
Thanks David
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
coke bottle grips, combat masterpiece, k-22, k-frame, keith brown grips, masterpiece, pre 18, sig arms, walnut


Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Newbie Info Needed -- 386PD Info Needed Badly USMCsilver S&W Revolvers: 1980 to the Present 14 10-20-2023 04:47 PM
Model 19-3 Info needed 4everrunning S&W Revolvers: 1961 to 1980 11 04-20-2016 11:24 AM
Info needed on old model K .38 Acraig50 S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 10 02-26-2015 10:40 AM
Info needed on Model 12 Michael Pope S&W Revolvers: 1961 to 1980 1 02-02-2015 11:28 PM
Model 13-3 info needed ladyT S&W Revolvers: 1980 to the Present 4 05-09-2013 12:28 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:04 PM.


Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)