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Help Identifying old .357 magnum revolver
Greetings all, my grandfather was a sheriff in southern Oklahoma in the '30s. I believe this is an original .357 but but need help determining model number and value.
Any help is appreciated,
Pics attached,
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You hit the lottery!!!!!
Your Grandfather had great taste in firearms.......... and $62.50
Oh ya...welcome.....trying to eat and type!!!!
Great/priceless family heirloom............ a early S&W "Registered Magnum"....... the first .357; introduced in 1935..... all were made to order........
Grips are not original ......... Plastic??
"Reg 106?" # on yoke............. about 5000- 5500 were made from 1935- 1940/41/WWII.
Nice shape but not perfect....... a lot like my Father's Colt New Service .357 "duty gun" dating from 1938/39.........Others better experts will be along; as market value is continually going up........... I'd "guesstimate"(based on 3 I saw over the weekend)............. "north of $5,000"
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Welcome to the forum. You have a Registered Magnum. These were before Model numbers came into effect.
Besides being a priceless family heirloom, it a very highly valued gun in the thousands of dollars.
There will be experts coming along with more information.
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Hi BAM-BAM, can you offer any add'l info or direct me to a resource?
Thanks, Kyle
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Experts will be along....... do a search here for "Registered Magnum" should keep you busy util others come along ......... to talk about your specific gun,options,condition and estimated market value........ vs. Heirloom value.
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...hang on...I think you're going to get plenty of comments and information...your post comes under the heading of...WOW...around here...
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It looks like what collectors call a Registered Magnum. This was the original 357 Magnum revolver. When they first came out in 1935, each one was what now days would be a Performance Center or Custom Shop gun. The customer could pick any barrel length from 8 3/4" down to 3 1/2 inch. There were many options available in choosing the sights. Each one was sighted in at the factory with the range and hold chosen by the customer. They were shipped with paper work listing all the above with papers to be filled out by the customer and returned to the factory to "register" the gun to the owner in the factory records. Yours appears to be a 4 inch barrel which is not as common as the 3 1/2 inch or the 5 inch. It has considerable value. To get a good estimate of the value, it would be best to have a knowledgeable dealer or collector examine it in person. Most likely, it is in original condition except for the grips. With it's age and use, there is a possibility that it was refinished which could affect the value. The provenance of it being used by your grandfather can only add to the value. There are members of this forum that can give you a ball park figure, but I'm sure they would all encourage you to have someone physically examine it to get a more accurate number. Maybe they will chime in after they wipe the drool off of their keyboards so they can respond. In the meantime, guard it with your life.
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The Reg. is a home gun but those grips are out of the park. Just oil with a cotton rag, and no steel wool. Keep it close to the hearth. Great heirloom. Best.
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Go to the Smith & Wesson Historical Foundation page and download a letter application. Chances are they have a lot of documents on your gun they can send you for a small fee.
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The Reg. is a home gun but those grips are out of the park. Just oil with a cotton rag, and no steel wool. Keep it close to the hearth. Great heirloom. Best.
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What???????? What is a home gun? Keep it close to the hearth??
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OD Green. If you need somebody to look at it in person, I'm in the Houston area. What a great find!
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Welcome! Here is one search of the Forum for information about your gun:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/searchr...ormation&sa=Go
Someone here will add onto the information in the 1,510 posts there. Enjoy!
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Kyle, outstanding 2nd post and very nice .357 with family history, a lot of us here would wish for something like that in our collection! And welcome to the Forum from South of Houston! Always nice to welcome a fellow Texan!
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Holy smoke this is why I check this forum every night when I get in gives us less seasoned collectors hope that there are still great guns coming to light. A simply beautiful family heirloom and with that barrel length I am not sure it would get any better than that at least in my book. Oh and welcome to the best group of folks on the internet hope you hang around and get that one lettered for sure.
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Congratulations on your fine firearm! It is truly a holy grail for many of us Smith&Wesson enthusiasts. By the registration number yours appears to be a very early one. FYI, J. Edgar Hoover got RegMag number 1, and General Patton carried one which was made after yours. It was one of his famous ivory handled revolvers.
Also, your query actually belongs in the next forum up stream, the 1896 to 1961 forum. Maybe one of the mods will move it.
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Thanks for the info
Thanks guys, this has been a real eye opener for me. This pistol was in a sock drawer for nearly 40 years. I filled out the factory letter request form and will mail it in the morning.
My grandfather only carried the .357 when there was a prison break or gangsters on the loose. His carry was a snub nose 38, some pictures attached.
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My guess is that your grips are made of a phenolic plastic called Catalin. It was very popular back in the 1930s and 1940s, and was one of the very few plastics made commercially at that time. It was used for jewelry, appliances, radio cases, kitchenware handles, electrical components, etc., and of course gun grips. It was available in many colors. Anything made of Catalin from that time period is highly collectible. You might want to search on Catalin to find out more about it. It has a distinctive smell.
Do you still have that M&P snubby? If it is pre-WWII, it is quite rare and fairly valuable also. Can you provide its serial number?
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I have wondered about the grips, thanks for that info. The snubby has two numbers: 45500 on the yoke (learned that word today), and 672903 on the bottom of the grip,
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672903 (assuming there is no letter prefix) does make it a pre-war snubby (ca. 1939). You scored two highly collectable and valuable pieces. What kind of grips are on the snubby? Looks like plastic, in any event, they are not original. You need to letter the snubby also.
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This sheriff seems to have been a very gun-wise man. The OP is a fortunate grandson.
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Your .38 Military & Police 2" from that era is rarer (production number-wise) than the Registered Magnum - well less than a thousand made. Your grandfather had excellent taste in firearms, and I suspect the criminal element in his county learned not to mess with him!
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Don, medical? dont need a script, stuff grows along 95.
Got fat fingers, "home run".
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OD, that snubby deserves a thread of it's own.
There is much to love about the two revolvers you have posted. Besides the rarity and the just plain cool factor, it is obvious that the two guns were used as guns should be, not stuck away to gather dust.
I really would like to have met your grandfather....how about some more background on the gentleman? His story has to be fascinating.
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Welcome to the forums from the Wiregrass! Congratulations X 2! Would you post pictures of the front and rear sights on the .357? It looks like you have a King reflector ramp front sight. It should say King Sight Company or words to that effect on the side of the ramp. As savvy as your Grandfather was about these guns, I suspect he had it sent to King straight from the factory. That is what happened to my RM.
The bright circle on the top of the ramp and behind the front sight is a mirror that shines light on the rear of the sight blade to make it more visible. Also, show us the rear sight as it might have a King white outline blade. Usually, folks had the action worked on while it was at King. My RM has a very light trigger and very, very smooth double action pull. Again, I believe your GF would have had them do that as well.
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Help Identifying old .357 magnum revolver
Very nice family heirlooms, the registered magnum is great looking, never sell that gun. I agree with others that many of us would love to have a Registered Magnum in our collections.
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The Duo
You guys are amazing!!!
Dwalt and Murphydog, I had no idea the Snubby was significant.
Wiregrassguy, never noticed the mirror before, it is King, the rear sight has a gold semi-circle, have attached a few more pics, need a better camera...
And thanks to CM Brier, I now know that Reg 1065 was manufactured in May 1936, with a total of 282/337 made with 4" barrels.
A Fin, i didn't know my Grandfather well, he passed away when I was quite young. I remember him tending to his barbeque chicken on the Hasty Bake, fond memory.
A10, look for a 38 Special Snubby #672903 thread soon.
Thanks again to everyone,
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Wow. Congratulations on 2 very nice family firearms. Better check the garage and see if he also had Elvis' Cadillac.
Looks like the guns are in good hands.
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Great gun, its a keeper, someone here will give you all the info you will need. Great gun!!!
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OD Green,
There is a gunshop in your town called Collectors Firearms. You can take both guns there and they could tell you more & also an approximate value. However, DON'T let them buy them from you!!
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Welcome to the forum from West Virginia!! You literally came in with a "Bang!!". Guys here dream of finding just one of the guns that your Grandfather bequeathed you, and you have them both!!! Congratulations, and don't ever part with either one. They are precious family treasures that mere money would never replace. But eben so, I would not hesitate to shoot either one. I'll bet your grandfather shot them, as it looks like he was an extremely gun savvy guy. And Oklahoma back in the thirties was sure the place for gunplay. There have been several threads about some of the legendary OK lawmen, such as "Jelly" Bryce, Jerry Campbell and others running on here lately. You might want to check them out... I wouldn't be surprised if your grandfather knew, and worked with some of those men!!
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I'm a day late to the party, but I second what everyone else has said: those are two fine specimens of much sought-after and collectible revolvers. Congratulations on having been chosen to care for them during this next stage of their lives.
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Incredible brace of revolvers. Absolute priceless.
The grips are Catalin, as Dwalt said, I have a set the same, still with the label.
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Catalin grips with finger grooves were good enough for John Wayne as well as Grandpa. Sure, factory would be worth more bucks but how can you beat John Wayne and Grandpa for style?
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Mr OD Green all the information you need on those firearms can found right here on this forum. 2 outstanding pieces of family history. Goto the Smith&Wesson Historical Foundations website, from there you can get a factory letter application. Thanks for posting and welcome to the best firearms forum on the web!
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Congratulations on being the custodian for your...........
.........great family heirlooms. As you preserve them for future generations of your family, put as much material together as possible about your Grandpa's career in law enforcement.
If you have items like badges he wore, images of him wearing the revolver (s), documentation like his election commission, and any other related material, and keep it all together.
The local county, or city historical society in the county he served in may be able to help you with research about him, and his career.
Good luck!
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Simply incredible!!! You have inherited two fantastic revolvers!!!
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That looks like an old 4-inch Model 28 Highway Patrolman.
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That looks like an old 4-inch Model 28 Highway Patrolman.
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...kinda looks like an N frame to me...
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Great post! Excellent firearms! Keep them forever.
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Another interesting gun
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Thanks guys, this has been a real eye opener for me. This pistol was in a sock drawer for nearly 40 years. I filled out the factory letter request form and will mail it in the morning.
My grandfather only carried the .357 when there was a prison break or gangsters on the loose. His carry was a snub nose 38, some pictures attached.
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That little snub nose looks like it could tell some stories.
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...kinda looks like an N frame to me...
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You think?????????
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You guys are amazing!!!
Dwalt and Murphydog, I had no idea the Snubby was significant.
And thanks to CM Brier, I now know that Reg 1065 was manufactured in May 1936, with a total of 282/337 made with 4" barrels.
A10, look for a 38 Special Snubby #672903 thread soon.
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I have RM Reg. No. 1070 and the factory letter indicates that it did, indeed, ship in May 1936. Congratulations on having two really great pieces there!
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That looks like an old 4-inch Model 28 Highway Patrolman.
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After WW II, the .357 Magnum was changed to a short action revolver. Many folks, peace officers and others, wanted a .357, but it was a bit pricey. S&W made the Highway Patrolman by eliminating the checkered top strap and barrel rib, confining the barrel length options to two-4" and 6", and using a matte blue finish instead of the high polish blue and nickel finishes.
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Kyle:
And Oklahoma back in the thirties was sure the place for gunplay. There have been several threads about some of the legendary OK lawmen, such as "Jelly" Bryce, Jerry Campbell and others running on here lately. You might want to check them out... I wouldn't be surprised if your grandfather knew, and worked with some of those men!!
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Mr. Green, I just finished reading the first Jelly Bryce book on Amazon, and I think you might enjoy it. I never knew OK lawmen were so active in tracking down the biggest bad guys in the country, during the 30's.
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We might add that the author of that book, which I just finished as well, is a member of the forum, Mike Conti, and that he has a lot of Oklahoma Lawman information at his disposal.
Lee Jarrett, (handejector here on the forum), our host on the forum, has a great post which you might want to check out as well, regarding one of Jelly Bryce's fellow OK Lawmen contemporaries and freinds, Jerry Campbell, and some of his handguns and badges and so forth.
Best Regards, Les
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