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1909 vs 1917 holsters

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Hi, I have a question, and after reading what I could find on the internet I am still not sure. I have a 1917 S&W military revolver. Holster are advertised as 1909 or 1917 on ebay and the internet. My guess so far is that a holster dated 1917 or earlier is a 1909 holster. (could a 1917 date be a 1917 holster?) "After"1917 is
a 1917 holster. I understand the 1909 holsters were used for the 1917's, but what really determines a 1909 or 1917 holster. Thanks for any information
 
Welcome to the Forum.

In 1909, the gov't was using a Colt New Service chambered for a .45 Colt cartridge with a wider rim.

In 1917, when there weren't enough 1911 Colt semi-autos to go around, both Colt and S&W chambered their large frame revolvers for the .45 ACP cartridge. The ACP was loaded into half moon clips for these revolvers.

The 1909 and the 1917 holster should be the same, except for the markings. These were carried on the right side, with the butt forward. The WW II version for the 1917 revolvers were carried on the right side, with the butt to the rear.
 
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Actually, there is, I believe, only the single M1909 holster, but made by two different makers in different periods, so their markings are different. Both holsters were intended to carry the same Colt New Service revolver (and also the S&W M1917 revolver during WWI). The Colt Model 1909 and the Colt Model 1917 revolvers are variations of the Colt New Service (but in different calibers) and are dimensionally identical. Far fewer Colt M1909 revolvers (and holsters) were made than M1917s, less than 20,000, and M1909 revolvers are seldom found today. The original M1909 holsters were made by Rock Island Arsenal in 1910-11, and are so stamped, while the WWI-era holsters were made by a contractor, G&K. Those are marked G&K 1917 and 1918, and are fairly common, albeit not in great condition. The original Rock Island Arsenal made and marked M1909 holsters are very scarce and valuable, as most of them never made it back from the Philippines. I have read that some holsters for the M1909 revolver were also made at the Manila Arsenal by modifying earlier military holsters (except for a very few issued stateside, almost all Colt M1909 revolvers were shipped to the Philippines for use against the Moros, many never to return). I have two M1909 Colts, and have personally seen only two others, both of which were in much lower condition than mine.

There are probably others more conversant with military holster lore of that period who may be able to add better information.
 
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I have a 1917 holster. My S&W 1917 will fit but my Colt 1917 will not. The Colt is made on the huge New Service frame, a little larger than the S&W. Apparently my holster has shrunk somewhat over the years.
 
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