...First Hand Ejector...Made From A Colt...
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DWalt
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Where's the cylinder release?
You pulled the extractor rod forward to release the cylinder, I think ??
What he said.
Green Frog
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That system actually worked pretty well for High Standard for their little 9 shot 22 caliber revolvers... you pull the E-rod forward to release the cylinder, then already have your hand in the right place to eject the cases all in one smooth motion.
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It makes sense to S & W to have made a prototype swing-out cylinder revolver from an existing, successful model already in production, even if it was a competitor's gun.
The .32 HE model 1896 probably used a similar locking system, and the Charter Arms revolvers without an ejector rod housing still work this way.
The .32 HE model 1896 probably used a similar locking system, and the Charter Arms revolvers without an ejector rod housing still work this way.
if you look carefully at the top strap you will seethe cylinder stop . It is operated by the hammer Just like the S&W tip up revolvers. This is a 1896 in 32 long
Eddie Southgate
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Whoever wrote that got some bad info . Nothing Colt about it . The top of the grips are similar to a Colt, that's as close to Colt as it gets .
OFT II
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I agree. It would have had a cylinder release if it was a Colt frame.
Absalom
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In addition, the Colt Model 1889/1892 and successor variants were medium-size frames dimensioned for .38 and .41 caliber cartridges, considerably larger. Colt did not develop a small frame dimensionally similar to the Model 1896 until the Colt New Police .32, which came out around the same time, 1896.
PS: Apart from the size issue (since we have no comparative reference in the photo):
Comparing the lines of the prototype to my Colt 1901 (which has only internal changes from the 1892), the square butt and grip shape are definitely Colt, as is the contour of the frame's underside. But from the shoulder behind the hammer up, it's very differently shaped, beside missing the cylinder latch, which was at the heart of the Colt design. The barrel shape is also completely different. Hard to see how they would have built a Franken-Colt-Smith without a lot of weld marks.
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The info given in the pic is from the Connecticut Valley Historical Museum - which is in Springfield, Mass., so I'm thinkin' someone had a pretty good clue about how to describe that gun. 
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Absalom
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The info given in the pic is from the Connecticut Valley Historical Museum - which is in Springfield, Mass., so I'm thinkin' someone had a pretty good clue about how to describe that gun.
Mark
I was looking into that as you wrote this. Given their close connection to S&W history and their S&W collection, I'd also expect them to know what they present.
Stating that doesn't explain the obvious issues pointed out, though.
Since Don already posted once in this thread, I'm hoping he can shed some light on this.
Notice Colt shaped trigger.
Notice Colt shaped trigger, cyl stop on side of the frame, ejector rod, and front profile of frame in these photos of the Colt 1892:
colt 1892 - Google Search
IIRC the 1896 patent dwg was of a Colt with the Smith top strap cyl lock.
Notice the difference of those same features on this 1896 Smith:
Photo by tjpopkin1896 Smith trigger:
Photo by tjpopkin
Notice Colt shaped trigger, cyl stop on side of the frame, ejector rod, and front profile of frame in these photos of the Colt 1892:
colt 1892 - Google Search
IIRC the 1896 patent dwg was of a Colt with the Smith top strap cyl lock.
Notice the difference of those same features on this 1896 Smith:
Photo by tjpopkin1896 Smith trigger:
Photo by tjpopkin
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Absalom
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Take a look at the pair of photos of the prototype and an original Colt Model 1892 I just glued together to illustrate my point.
Below the red line, everything appears to be Colt.
The cylinder, ejector rod, and barrel are obviously quite different, not just modified.
I'm most curious about the back and front top of the frame, where the prototype seems to have more metal, a higher profile, than the Colt, meaning a Colt frame would have had to be built up to get there.
Below the red line, everything appears to be Colt.
The cylinder, ejector rod, and barrel are obviously quite different, not just modified.
I'm most curious about the back and front top of the frame, where the prototype seems to have more metal, a higher profile, than the Colt, meaning a Colt frame would have had to be built up to get there.
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Absalom,
Excellent comparison. Since the Colt frame was larger than the Smith I frame, your photos support my theory, that Smith started with a Colt frame and downsized it during the modification into an I frame size gun.
This might become more apparent in your side-by-side comparison if you downsized the prototype photo a bit so the horizontal length of the rear of the frame was the same as in the Colt photo.
Excellent comparison. Since the Colt frame was larger than the Smith I frame, your photos support my theory, that Smith started with a Colt frame and downsized it during the modification into an I frame size gun.
This might become more apparent in your side-by-side comparison if you downsized the prototype photo a bit so the horizontal length of the rear of the frame was the same as in the Colt photo.
Model 929, as I recall. Fun/fine little revolvers.
If you handle it, which I did, you can see the Smith & Wesson in it. It does open like we said, pull on the ejector rod.
Absalom
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Don, since you handled it, you can probably answer our question whether they "shrunk" the Colt when making the prototype (since the original Colt 1892 is so much bigger than the ultimate Model 1896), as Jim suspects, or whether the prototype is substantially larger than the later production .32 HE.
Skeetr57
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I think that S&W used the full size Colt for the prototype. IIRC the patent drawing shows a 7 shot cylinder for the .32.
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