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This is so good I saved it on my computer
Thank you for putting it together
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Good gravy, that's an amazing post. Many thanks for taking the time to research, assemble, and share. What a great forum!
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Very informative and very well done. Also, great photographs!
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Thanks much for the effort to put this info together in such a clear and organized fashion. I really appreciate it.
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Thanks for your great job. all of us really appreciate it. Now, I being old, and a computer illiterate dummy, have to find a way to store it on my computer.
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Finish question. If doing an overall touch-up and spot refinish on some mid seventies football targets would one use TruOil or a poly? And if a poly, satin or gloss?
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I second the motion! Great reference.
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I added a few more photos as well as updated a few sections with more refined dates/information. I will continue to revise this going forward with better photos of nicer stocks as I acquire them.
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Thanks so much for this information. So, if I have a 1950 44 Special SN 146xxx Target model, could it have been shipped with Magnas? Thanks!
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Thanks so much for this information. So, if I have a 1950 44 Special SN 146xxx Target model, could it have been shipped with Magnas? Thanks!
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My Mod 1950 .45 Target letters as having been shipped with Magnas in 1954. So, I'd think so.
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My Mod 1950 .45 Target letters as having been shipped with Magnas in 1954. So, I'd think so.
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I have a second model hand ejector .455 in need of stocks. Is it an "N Frame" and will N Frame stocks fit if I acquire a pair?
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I have a second model hand ejector .455 in need of stocks. Is it an "N Frame" and will N Frame stocks fit if I acquire a pair?
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Yes, the .455 2nd model is a N frame.
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My goal... Sandersons, Ropers, Farrants, Hurst, etc. But that is another can of worms!
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Fantastic Thread and A Great Wealth of Information. Thank you! I too have saved a copy.
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Hoosier45,
Thank you for your outstanding treatise on stocks/grips. As reflected above by so many members, it truly is an excellent piece of documentation on a very convoluted subject matter.
As I carefully read thru your post, with appreciation and agreement of the great detail, two items came to mind that might be considered for addressing of even more minutia:
First is an area of such obscurity, examples are unrecognized and/or almost nonexistent; the changes of medallions in 1929:
• 2/11/1929 - Gold plate over brass recessed medallions ordered reinstated in wood stocks but with ‘convex’ stock circles;
3/18/29 changed to flush mounted, flat gold plated;
April 1929 finally changed to flush mounted, flat chrome plated over brass thru WW II.
Tuskoid Magnas did not make an appearance until well after the very short window of gold med usage. Most I've seen, and that's just a few, had .500" flat silvers but they do seem to exist with flat gold: Smith & Wesson Tuskoid / Tuscoid Grips
Second, Combat's post #23 referenced the earliest rendition of "Coke Bottle" stocks.
One of the rarest of factory target stocks, which are the early 1950's special-order-only Smooth non-relieved target stocks, the first known as "coke bottles" documented in the SCSW by Jim King II, shown on Pg. 38 and specifically described on Pg. 39 in the 4th Ed. They exhibit longer wood behind the trigger guard, obvious flare at the butt, as well as a pronounced palm swell much more suggestive of coke bottles than later checkered cokes with football relief. I've only seen two pair and they were both of Birdseye Maple. Here's one:
Photo/ownership: weatherby
Once again, thank you for your auspicious effort,
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The grips that came on a Brazilian 1917/37 I own are the later 1917 style. When held at the right angle in the right lighting situation I can see very small initials R.A. stamped on the bottom of the right grip?
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Steve,
By "later 1917 style" grips, I presume you mean checkered with flat, flush chrome plated medallions which is correct.
R.A. stamping could be anything including initials, but for sure not a factory mark.
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No, See illustration this thread?
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The grips that came on a Brazilian 1917/37 I own are the later 1917 style.
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No, the later style. Like the ones just below the concaved model.
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Great thread! Thanks everyone for all the hard work. Answered my stocks question of earlier today.
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Fantastic thread!
Thank you, Hoosier45 and everyone who has contributed to this repository.
This is most helpful as I begin my next quest for the correct stocks for my newly-purchased .44HE-2nd Model (shipped March, 1927).
Now, thanks to you, I know.
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Great thread and amazing OP. It shed some light on these non-relieved diamond walnut targets with black washers which I sold to a forum member some time ago. I honestly forget where I got them, but it strikes me they were mis-matched to a later N-frame I purchased at a gun show.
According to this thread, they were probably shipped around the middle 1950s.
It's interesting that the finish on these appears to be the untreated wood with just an oil-rubbed surface.
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Rather unique situation….
Just found this forum and have spent a good bit of time reviewing it…GREAT info and obviously a lot of time taken to compile it.
I think my situation is probably a little unique. I have a 9+ Mod 27 (no dash), S/N S199105, 4 screw revolver (~1959 it appears) with what looks to be Magnas w/o the diamond (68-71 per the above) although they look like they could be the original grips - underside of grips were whistle clean with no marks or fingerprints visible.
The grips have no serial markings on the exterior at all, but have a handwritten “N” on the inside left grip and what appears to be “434” stamped on the inside of the right grip.
I figure the best course of action is to get a letter from S&W and see how it was originally shipped and then restore it to that configuration (unless someone has some great insight which could help). I’ve seen that recommended in several threads but have yet to run across the current name or the exact address to send the request to. Can someone help me out?
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I figure the best course of action is to get a letter from S&W and see how it was originally shipped and then restore it to that configuration (unless someone has some great insight which could help). I’ve seen that recommended in several threads but have yet to run across the current name or the exact address to send the request to. Can someone help me out?
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N or K/L frame?
Hi, thank you for the great reference. I acquired a set of what appear to be 52-58 Target grips. How do you determine if they're correct for N or K/L frames. Regards, TL
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Best is to look at the size of the "ledge" at the top of the stocks in front and back of the top round. K frame stocks have a small ledge, while N frame stocks are over twice as large. Best I can measure is that the N frame ledge is .16", while the K frame ledge is .06".
I found a picture I had taken of both K and N walnut service stocks for comparison below.
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Best is to look at the size of the "ledge" at the top of the stocks in front and back of the top round. K frame stocks have a small ledge, while N frame stocks are over twice as large. Best I can measure is that the N frame ledge is .16", while the K frame ledge is .06".
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An easy reference for me is that if both "ledges" look to be the same length, it's a "K" frame...If one is noticeably larger, it's an "N" frame... ...Ben
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An easy reference for me is that if both "ledges" look to be the same length, it's a "K" frame...If one is noticeably larger, it's an "N" frame... ...Ben
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My ignorance doesn't allow me to understand your description, please illustrate? I usually just try on different frames.
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Try this....Look on the backsides of the grips at the metal round plates. K frames have about a 1/8 inch wood shoulder on ea side of the rear medallion... The N frame grips have about a 1/4 inch of wood on ea side or the rear metal
plate/medallion reinforcement plate..
Applies to Magnas and Target type.
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a quick question
it is stated the early diamond magna stocks had a high sharp shoulder on top, and later ones had a more rounded shoulder
approximately when did this change occur ?
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Sharp shoulder magnas stopped showing up on new guns shipped in the very early 1950s; depending how long the guns sat in the vault before selling. I don’t know if the change order date is known, but it would be awhile after that until inventory was exhausted.
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Here's a pair of round combats with a slightly different profile:
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Pre-War N frame magna grips info help
I am seeking information about these grips. I understand that the turned metal washers were used from ~1935-1946. I was wondering if the age of these could be narrowed down to a particular year based upon the markings shown on the washers. (U. S. Patent number and Smith & Wesson.) any input appreciated.
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Smith & Wesson N Frame Stocks / Grips - A Reference Guide
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I am seeking information about these grips. I understand that the turned metal washers were used from ~1935-1946. I was wondering if the age of these could be narrowed down to a particular year based upon the markings shown on the washers. (U. S. Patent number and Smith & Wesson.) any input appreciated.
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The short answer to your question is “no”. The Pre-War Magna grips first appeared on Registered Magnums in August 1935. The washers on the early Magna grips were unmarked. Although there are a few outliers, the use of Magna grips such as pictured in your post essentially came to an end on the Pre-War .357 Magnums in December 1940. I do not know exactly when the washers on the Pre-War Magna grips transitioned from unmarked to marked with the patent number etc., but my guess is sometime during the 1936/1937 timeframe. Perhaps someone else can give you a better idea of when that transition occurred.
You can, however, date your grips from the serial number on the right side grip; it looks like 61545 to me - that would probably be about May/June 1940.
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Good information
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Any Info On These?
Among my collection of S&W artifacts, is this nice set of gray laminate N-frame SB combat stocks. I picked these up when the store I worked at for 16 years folded their tents, and we cleared out all the accumulated odds 'n ends in the drawers and closets and cabinets of the gunsmith shop. I'm thinking they may be aftermarket from Altamont, but I really don't know for sure. If anyone has any insights about origin, year of manufacture, and approximate value, I'd sure appreciate it.
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Thank You for your contribution to the forum. This research took a considerable amount of time & effort to sort things out & to post the proper pictures of each generation & variant of grips. This is a tremendous aid to members attempting to identify and make "correct" the grips that their respective guns came with.
I would like to suggest perhaps making this an independent sticky of it's own so it is easier to find in the future and tweaked or added to as necessary. It would make future research a lot easier for the membership.
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Great informative thread,
Don't know how I missed it until today!
Not sure if it's considered "Minutia" but during the Korean war shortages of brass apparently motivated S&W to change the stock medallions from nickel coated brass to plastic then Stainless steel just prior to the end if that conflict, I feel it's interesting as these were only used for a short time but important to observe if a collector wants to find a period correct set of stocks for S&W firearms made in the 51-53 time frame.
Another bit of minutia is the checkering pattern used on target stocks made from 1950 to around 1962-63 ish which have a sharp turn at the heel backstrap turn where diamond target stocks used from around 63-67 have a pronounced rounded turn there.
Important to know when fitting era correct target stocks,
One last piece of minutia is that it appears that shorter SS escutcheon continued on non diamond stocks until perhaps around 1970ish when they changed to shallow brass escutcheon.
Thanks for taking the time and energy to produce such a great and informative thread!
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Among my collection of S&W artifacts, is this nice set of gray laminate N-frame SB combat stocks. I picked these up when the store I worked at for 16 years folded their tents, and we cleared out all the accumulated odds 'n ends in the drawers and closets and cabinets of the gunsmith shop. I'm thinking they may be aftermarket from Altamont, but I really don't know for sure. If anyone has any insights about origin, year of manufacture, and approximate value, I'd sure appreciate it.
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I don't think those are Altamonts (although they look VERY similar), but rather OEM S&W that were produced for a short time.
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This body of work is definitely a great addition to the S&W knowledge base. I hope that Supica/Nahas can add any updates to the "SCSW 5th Ed." In the meantime, as others have suggested, is there a way to archive this post somewhere within the Forum which allows quick access to members for reference? I will attempt to save it to my Desktop because it truly provides a wealth of information. Thanks to everyone who contributed!
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This body of work is definitely a great addition to the S&W knowledge base. I hope that Supica/Nahas can add any updates to the "SCSW 5th Ed." In the meantime, as others have suggested, is there a way to archive this post somewhere within the Forum which allows quick access to members for reference? I will attempt to save it to my Desktop because it truly provides a wealth of information. Thanks to everyone who contributed!
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