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What to do with the ugliest Pre War non Registered magnum
Traded in to this one. Circa 1940 357 with major issues. Later 3.5" model 27 bbl. Not sure what to do with it. Would love to find a pre war barrel and try to clean it up a bit for a shooter. But not sure it is salvageable.
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If everything functions properly, just have it reblued and make it a shooter. A pre-war barrel would be nice, but it looks OK as is. It may have even been rebarrelled by S&W - does it have any rework markings?
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I would blue/nickel it and put a false barrel pin in to fill the hole. Hopefully it functions ok, what does it look like inside?
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If it is mechanically sound, I'd finish stripping it then have it hard chromed. What a great woods gun it would be.
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Inside is slightly better than the outside. The action is OK and I think I can clean it up. The barrel pin is an easy one. The steel is in OK condition everywhere except left side plate. No emblem on either side.
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I ended up with a 58 out of the same deal that looks E nickel or possibly hard chrome.
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I'd clean it up as best I could, slap a home blue job on it and shoot the hell out of it. Try Blue Wonder. When properly applied it looks very good.
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Inside is slightly better than the outside. The action is OK and I think I can clean it up. The barrel pin is an easy one. The steel is in OK condition everywhere except left side plate. No emblem on either side.
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That's good. If there are any rusty springs I'd replace those. Sounds like a totally salvageable project...a fun one at that.
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OP, do you know anything about the original history or barrel length of the gun? I’m just wondering if it could have originally been a Kansas City Police issue.
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I would contact Glenrock Blue about a nice blued refinish you could be proud of. My experience talking with him was good, although I havent sent one to him yet. All other
reviews and comments Ive seen were positive on him. It could be a real beauty in an original type blue finish. That is its heritage it appears.. IMHO..
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Reworked in ‘44 at the factory and probably a non-factory refinish at some point too. Totally serviceable and your pocketbook is the limit on what to do. I have ideas on what I’d do with it.
Any chance that is fire damage? That may change things.
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It came out of a local collection. No history what so ever. At this point I am reluctant to put another $100 in it for the letter.
I may send it to Glen Rock Blue or Ford if I can clean it up a little.
I missed the 44 repair date. I see it now. Fire damage is a possibility. But not sure.
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Rebound slide stud was polished flat. I doubt S&W did that. It does look like it was in a fire like my .32 Reg Police. Was the inside sooty? Accurate Plating & Weaponry | Gunsmith In Newville, Alabama does good plating work. I probably would have them hard chrome it if it was mine.
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While hard chrome would be what I would do with it, Eugene Golobsotov at Lugerman.com could put a reasonably priced pre war blue finish for you. He does OUTSTANDING work.
Just my $.02, but it appears you have the makings of a unique shooter grade there.
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No soot I can detect. Right side looks better than the left. Baffled by no logo. I didn't get the grips. The guy who traded it to me bought it to get the grips.
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I would love to have that gun to be honest. Not ugly at all in my books. The more I look at the pics, the more potential I see.
Have fun with it. I think you'll be proud of the way it comes out.
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I could have some fun with a project like that. You could always do a Keith44spl on it, and re-bore it for 44 Special
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If its safe to shoot I think that gun deserves a pre war bbl on it.
Would be fun to have whatever front sight and bbl length you prefer. Not many guys have that option with the way prices are now with these prewar 357s.
I'm thinking 4" bbl with a patridge and Mcgivern gold bead
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Brush blue. Prewar Highway Patrolman Prototype.
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It would be interesting to know the serial number. It can be added to data base(s) to account for another pre-war magnum.
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If it were mine I would do a reverse pinto. Frame nickle with the cylinder and barrel blue. Get the hammer and trigger case hardening done again and, of course, a barrel pin back in it. Get one of the stock repair experts here on site to give the grips a good going over.
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Man oh man do I have barrel for that gun!
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Did I understand you correctly that the guy you got this from separated the original magnas from this gun? What a shame that would be...
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It wouldn't bother me to have it like it is. I've had some great shooters that looked a lot worse.
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My thoughts:
(I assume you're not into this for much? I found a substantially similar RM for $500 a few years back.)
I have a pre-war NRM with a post-war 6" 27 barrel and I love it!
Have the front sight rib set back to mimic an RM barrel setback and slotted for a pre-war front sight.
Pick up a cheap late pre-war K ejector rod (I have several to spare). Have a decent gunsmith or machinist sleeve the larger ejector rod tip onto the post-war rod it currently has and cut the ejector rod shroud under the barrel to accept it.
Find a correct hammer or have a machinist cut the concentric grooves on your existing hammer.
Getting a hammer or trigger case-colored is about $25.
I recently sold the last set of PW magnas I was willing to part with but Mr. Culina can make an excellent facsimile of either service or magna stocks.
None of this is meant to fool anyone, but it would make the gun have the same lines as a correct RM.
Ford's in FL seams to be the best choice for a decent bluing.
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If it were mine I would just set about finding an original barrel for it. They are around, and surface from time to time.
Outside of that, if it's mechanically sound, I'd equip it with some equally beat pre-war magnas, or whatever stocks fit your hand nicely, and shoot it.
There's a huge benefit to owning a beater pre-war .357: guests can shoot it without feeling intimidated by the value of the gun. I love my beater Reg Mag for that exact reason. It still shoots like a dream, and when I invite people out shooting they get the chance to experience putting lead down range with a fabled gun, and none of that pleasure is diminished by worrying about reducing the value of a very valuable gun.
Also, I know I would love to own it myself (as I am sure many would), so if it doesn't really please you I bet a trade could be worked out with myself, or someone else who enjoys beat to heck pre-war guns like this.
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I am disgusted by the concept of hard chrome on this gun. Give it a long soak in 50/50 acetone/automatic transmission fluid to get rid of the rust, and see what it looks like. Then shoot it and use it as is for a year or two while keeping your eyes open for an original barrel. If you can find one, great. If not, maybe you will just leave it with this barrel. Then you can think about having it refinished with a proper blue.
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I'm in the "clean it up and shoot the heck out of it" camp. Looks like a fun gun to me and it would be welcome in my safe and in my range bag.
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Wish that were mine! Lots of possibilities. “Restore” it to it original splendor. Build it to be a reasonable facsimile. Or my favorite, convert it to 45 ACP.
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"hard chroming", or "boring it out"?My goodness,where do these people come from?
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He took the pre war magnas that were on it. They were not original to the gun.
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He took the pre war magnas that were on it. They were not original to the gun.
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Ah gotcha. Well I have a set of NRM magnas serial confirmed by Roy that I've been trying to find the original NRM that goes with them. Its a long shot but if you want to shoot me a PM with your serial, I'll see if they match. I think they are #59807
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We come from a wonderful place called "America ". And it's residents here are called "Shooters".
It's filled with fine and fascinating people who like to shoot revolvers, especially if they've been damaged or neglected, and no longer hold collectors value. And especially after they've been repurposed into whatever their current owners desire thereby prolonging the enjoyment.
Some of our more prominent residents are Hamilton Bowen, Andy Harvath, Jim Stroh, and Alan Harton.
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Perfect project gun. You certainly can't kill any collectors value.
A good candidate for an engraving job. Ivory grips perhaps.
An orig bbl would be a good addition.
I wouldn't hard-chrome it or convert it to another caliber,,the latter unless the bore and chamber condition made it necessary.
I'd be interested in it for such a project!
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We come from a wonderful place called "America ". And it's residents here are called "Shooters".
It's filled with fine and fascinating people who like to shoot revolvers, especially if they've been damaged or neglected, and no longer hold collectors value. And especially after they've been repurposed into whatever their current owners desire thereby prolonging the enjoyment.
Some of our more prominent residents are Hamilton Bowen, Andy Harvath, Jim Stroh, and Alan Harton.
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I trust your "prominent members" wouldshow more respect for an old gun
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It is just an old gun with the wrong barrel.
As I mentioned earlier, a great project for restoration (prewar NRM barrels are to be found, not common but out there) or the perfect canvas for a long action custom revolver.
Unfortunately, not every “old gun” is a priceless treasure.
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I made a suggestion earlier to send it to
Glenrock Blue for a nice reblue it deserves
as is..
If you want to keep costs down now..if it were
mine I would try using Oxpho Blue Paste to
do an inexpensive home reblue finish on it.
But ...OxphoBlue paste from Brownells
is the best stuff to use from past experence
on less than perfect guns to get a pretty
good home finish..
Get some flitz and oxphoblue paste and make a mix and have at it on your pc..then use some
mineral oil on it to finish up..
Just my thoughts on rwhat you can do right
now for not much dough$...
Randy..
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Does it have the original rear sight? Was it a lawman's gun? Oklahoma City hardware ordered many for the PD back in the day. Inquiring minds want to know.
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his is what someone did with a non registered magnum bbl ,cyl ,internals .
Frame from a 1917 ,it is a great shooter .Oh they even put the magnum adjustable rear sight on the 1917 frame then nickle plated the gun
for &100.its a keeper
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BC38 already said what I would do if it were mine .
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You have the raw material for a working gun that can be set up lots of ways. I don't care for the collector perspective and this revolver is not going to be a collector's item in the usual sense.
A good gunsmith that can check everything and make sure it is a sound functional gun, sights that work for you (my inclination is a gold bead or an XS big dot/tritium, with a rear sight to match), and a decent working finish. You would have a gun that serves lots of roles, and does not lose the collector value. While I don't have the patience for such a project now, it is not outside of consideration.
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Maybe in the classic sense, but even really badly refinished pre-war .357s are quite desirable these days. I watch a lot of auctions for them and I am astonished at what they will sell for.
That aside, there may be collector's value here too if there are any SWHF docs on it that are interesting. I'd certainly suggest not doing anything with it (aside from looking for a proper barrel/pin) until it's clear what it's history is.
A gun that had an interesting history, that has now been re-finished recently, is a complete dud. If it has a "finish" like this, where it's a lot of old abuse and old refinish, at least that current state of the gun is history.
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Does it have the original rear sight? Was it a lawman's gun? Oklahoma City hardware ordered many for the PD back in the day. Inquiring minds want to know.
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It has what appears to be an original rear sight. No idea on the history. I think I have an old Oklahoma Hardware catalog from the 60s.
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Looks like 60894
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I just saw this today. Like this revolver a lot. I will add my 2cents.
To start just check it out for function, clean it up the best you can, and put in a barrel pin.
Get some stag grips and a vintage Tyler T-grip. Shoot and enjoy it for a while. Then when you decide you really like the old girl, have it reblued be someone who knows their stuff.
Myself, i would love to won a wonderful old revolver like that.
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07-20-2021, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Frieda's Boss
Been a few months since you started this thread...any update on your plans for this gun?
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Still working on it. Pushes off and has a hitch in the action. Doesn't do it with side plate off. Put a side plate from one of my HDs and it doesn't push off and action good. Cant see any issue with side plate but looking for another. Made a new front sight blade. Haven't run across a barrel but may leave this one on it.
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07-20-2021, 10:25 AM
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That pistol is the perfect candidate for a custom engraving job. You're not hurting a factory finish-it's already hurt. Replace with correct barrel. B or C scroll coverage, pre-war blue, and ivory or stag grips. Maybe a gold inlay to contrast the blue.
If you're interested, I can refer two engravers.
Last edited by 444 Magnum; 07-20-2021 at 10:26 AM.
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