Ejector rod Questions

Buzz Yooper

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I had some old Pre War K-Frame revolvers, and I noticed that the ends of the ejector rods looked like they were "polished" or just "In the white"... but they had been used heavily, I thought it was just "Wear'... Now I have obtained a postwar K-Frame that was practical new-in-box, and I notice the same type of wear on the end of the ejector rod... was that how they left the factory????

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Ejector rods have to be ground to length so that the center pin is flush or a tad longer than the rod when the thumb latch is pushed fully forward. If the center pin is not flush or above, opening the cylinder is glitchy. The ejector rods were already blued, so grinding it to fit left the end in the white.
Everyone thinks the old guns were "hand fitted" piece by piece, but not really. :eek:
Most parts were drop in because of tight tolerances and good gauges. About the only truly "fitted" pieces were the DA sear and the ejector rods. ;)
 
You can say that if you want to.
Sideplates have tapered edges. I am just supposing, but I think they were merely pressed down till they bottomed against the frame, then ground/polished flush with the frame. The tapered edges allowed metal to be displaced on the plate creating a tight fit all around. Kinda like hand fitting a nail into wood? :D

Grips were sanded ON the gun. I'm OK with calling that hand fitted if you want to. I just call it sanding on the gun.
 
I had some old Pre War K-Frame revolvers, and I noticed that the ends of the ejector rods looked like they were "polished" or just "In the white"... but they had been used heavily, I thought it was just "Wear'... Now I have obtained a postwar K-Frame that was practical new-in-box, and I notice the same type of wear on the end of the ejector rod... was that how they left the factory????

Thanks


That isn't wear, that is how they were finished at the factory. The bevel was polished (used to be) and the end was the result of fitting for length. It is the extractor and extractor rod, revolvers do not have ejectors, automatics and long guns do.
I like Lee, and he is usually correct, but there are several parts that must be "fit", not just what he lists.

The sideplate requires fitting. If you look closely at the edge there are obvious file marks usually. that is why this part has the "assembly number" stamped on the inside, as does the yoke. Sideplates will not interchange between frames The extractor rod does need to be fit, but it can be a slight amount short. If too long the extractor rod snags on the "locking bolt", the beveled plunger in the barrel lug that engages the front of the extractor rod. Sometimes drop-in, but often must be fit by shortening just a few thousandths until the front end of the center pin is just above flush. Just about every extractor rod I have ever replaced had to be fit a small amount.

There are other parts that may have to be fit too. Of course the stocks were fit to the individual frame too, that is why the serial number is (was) stamped inside the right stock. The stocks were fit in the "stock job" when made, not done by the "fitter" who "puts-up" (assembles) the revolver.

The more recent guns do need less individual fitting than guns made before the 1980s.
 
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Both top breaks and Hand Ejectors removed the spent cases exactly the same way by pushing them up and partially out of the cylinder. The methods used to push out the cases were different, but there was no launching like break open shotguns. Shotguns always used different terms to define how the gun pushed the cases out. Extractors pushed the empty hull up, but you had to remove it from the breach by hand. Ejectors popped the hulls out, often with great force and emptied the chambers automatically.

Different terms used in different ways, but the definition of ejector is; A device that causes something to be removed or to drop out. Does not say how it is accomplished. Buzz makes a good point in that the company called their solid frame revolvers as Hand Ejectors, so right or wrong, ejector is the term used.
 
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Perhaps therein lies the difference. The top breaks use an automatic extractor to raise the empty cases to a point where one may remove them. The hand ejector on the other hand uses a "hand" manipulated device to "eject" the empty cases therefore not requiring the shooter to remove them manually. Hence the name hand ejector. Technically the second system extracts and ejects.

One system merely extracts the cases from the cylinder and the other ejects them. Both procedures require the shooter to use his hands, one after extraction and the other one before.
 
Grips were sanded ON the gun.
That is fascinating, Lee. How did they keep from marring the finish on the front, back and bottom of the grip frame while doing all that sanding? It strikes me there could be at least two possibilities:
1. The sanding/adjustment of the stock fit took place before the frame was sent to the finish shop. That would explain the need to put the serial number on the stocks.
2. Tape or some other protection was put on the grip frame before sanding.

One of these two or something else?

BTW my option #1 has issues. According to Roy in several different posts here on this Forum, serialization was one of the last steps in production/assembly. If that is the case, then option #1 above makes less sense. It would seem that the "assembly number" would more likely be on the stocks, but it never is.

Thanks for the interaction, my friend. I'm just puzzled by this.
 
I have always been under the impression that the stock fitting process removed both metal and wood/rubber in order to get to that perfect fit to frame. It would have been done before finishing. Since quality control was always paramount, the fitting process should only have taken a very small amount of metal that would be easily polished out. It would not have affected the serial number.
 
Perhaps therein lies the difference.

One system merely extracts the cases from the cylinder and the other ejects them. Both procedures require the shooter to use his hands, one after extraction and the other one before.

Well, not to beat a dead horse on this, but maybe Revolver and Shotgun terminology part company on this term... For starters, I have a S&W Schofield and when I open it at the right angle, it extracts and ejects the cases... same with my "Hand ejector modles"... open the cylinder holding the gun slightly elevated, push the extractor/ejector rod, and the cases are expelled in one smooth motion... a shotgun with extractors almost
always requires plucking the empties out by hand.... not necessarily so with a revolvr... extract and eject in one motion.... Just sayin'
 
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