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Old 02-12-2024, 07:22 PM
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Don't know year of manufacture so unsure if this is correct place for this post. But, LGS had a handful of Smiths on consignment. An old 22 SA/DA with a lot of honest wear (patina?), a 19 4" with nice grips and some end-of-barrel wear, and a 27 6" with nice grips and very little wear. I'm considering the 27 and find the old 22 interesting.
$600-900 range. Opinions?
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Here is your photo. The 22 looks a little more worn than I'd want to chase. The 19-4 is priced about where I'd expect it to be where I shop. The 27ND is a deal, grab it at $900 but if you can negotiate it a bit that's fine too. I'd expect it to be priced around $1200 where I shop assuming the rest of it looks as good as the side we can see. Good luck.

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Looks like a 19-2 with correct diamond targets. Can't read the model stamping on the 27 but if a 27-0 looks like might be original stocks. Condition is the question but they both like they need a home.

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OMG where did the grips on that 22 come from? Looks like somebody carved them from an old fence post while they were drunk.
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Old 02-12-2024, 08:24 PM
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Agree - don't have room (or resources) for all three but think I "need" to adopt the 27-0! Already have a 3-1/2 and 4" so this would fit right in. Gonna make an offer if they still have it Friday when I get back in town.
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Old 02-12-2024, 08:26 PM
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OMG where did the grips on that 22 come from? Looks like somebody carved them from an old fence post while they were drunk.
They actually appear as fancy factory grips but much enjoyed to me. But I have no expertise in this area.
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If I had to pick one out of the three, there is no question that the model 27 is the gun to go with. Not only for condition, but it's a model 27 No dash gun, and possibly under valued at this price. The model 19 is also on my radar if you can swing both guns. They may seem redundant but they are not. The 19 is a 4 barrel, K fame gun, the 27 is a 6" barrel on the N frame.
Handling them will best demonstrate to you the differences in weight, balance and handling characteristics. Best of luck in whatever you decide.
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The 27 and the 19 are just ordinary. Have them both. But the .22 just speaks to me. I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
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Offer $1500
For the 27 & 19. See if they flinch.
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All three would be coming home with me one way or another. Good luck

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Old 02-16-2024, 03:55 PM
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Don't have room in the safes for all three but they were all still there (plus a 14) when I got back in town today so I got the 27 for $800 out-the-door. After cleanup (dust, lint and old oil) it looks to be unfired or fired extremely little - very slight turn line but front of cylinder and forcing cone area unmarked. Grips perfect. Will post pics in a bit when I figure out how, along with the remaining guns they are selling (added a 14).
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Maybe it's just me, but that looks more like an I frame .22, not a K frame.
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The LGS thinks its a K-22 Sportsman from the 1930's. IDK.
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Is that called a "Lazy Ampersand" between Smith & Wesson on the 27 bbl stamp? I have one like that on a 28-2 from 1973.
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The LGS thinks its a K-22 Sportsman from the 1930's. IDK.
It's a heavy frame target
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Looks like an interesting, well loved old 22 revolver to me, lol. But I love hearing opinions from the experts here - I have learned quite a bit since coming aboard.
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You made a good choice on the Model 27. I would have had to take the Model 19 also.

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I have two 19, so the 27 would be my choice.
The 22 is also very interesting!
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... The 22 is also very interesting!
But with that much wear on the 22, it could have multiple issues.
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I have a 22 just like it, heavy frame target (Bekeart) except the one in the picture looks factory new compared to mine. They had a serious problem with the finish on them, so I think it looks really good. Mine still puts them all in a really small hole at 10 yards though. If it were me, I would snag all 3.

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hdfinder47, here are the pictures of your new 27 that you forwarded. I'm sure folks here want to hear the rest of the story. Looks like a great find to me.

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...I got the 27 for $800 out-the-door. After cleanup (dust, lint and old oil) it looks to be unfired or fired extremely little - very slight turn line but front of cylinder and forcing cone area unmarked. Grips perfect.
Jeff: Thanks for posting the photos.

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For $800, you pretty much stole that beauty.

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Thanks to Jeff the pics are posted. Bad photos, I know, but shows overall condition of the 27. The imperfections are just oil residue I thought would't show up in IPhone pics. I assumed the barrel would measure 5-7/8" or 6-1/8" but seems to be 6" even. I have a pic of the other 3 Smiths and if anyone is interested I can PM the LGS info to them. (19-2 4" with some barrel bluing wear, the above mentioned 22 and a 14-3 6" with several blemishes in the finish on the barrel.) They seem negotiable as to price and shipping is $35, I think. Friendly folks.
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The .22 is a .22/32 Heavy Frame Target. It's an I frame and the two screw stocks are factory production, standard on those revolvers. In the 1920s they could be either hard black rubber or walnut. Those are walnut and probably original to that gun. If the price is right, I would buy it. The cylinder is probably not counterbored. Don't shoot HV .22 LR in it. It won't kill it, but I advise avoiding it; just use SV ammo.
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Yes the .22 is an I frame .22/32 HFT from the 20's if the stocks are original to the gun. Should fall into a serial number range of 341XXX to 501XXX. If you go back I would love the full serial number for may database of survivors.

It appears to have a Patridge front sight. Early guns will not have the Made in USA stamping whereas newer ones will. Chambers will not be counter bored and last patent date will most likely be 09. During this period S&W was also shipping with the smaller regulation police style stocks however, one could always order the gun with the larger 2 screw over sized target style. With the right stock panel removed a matching serial number will usually tell whether they shipped with the gun or were replacements.
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If it's still there next time I get to town I'll get the serial number and share your and JP@AK's info with them. (Or I can share their contact info thru PM so you can talk to them.) Again, any Forum member that might be interested in any of these guns is welcome to their contact info.
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Not sure where serial number would be but I found 2 numbers. One on front of grip - 444985, I think.
Second number in yoke - 15745 (very hard to read, could be off).
I can text you pics and maybe you can make them out better.
I'm kinda falling in lust with this old beat up piece - any clue as to value for me to make an offer?
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That is the serial number. And it confirms that the revolver is a .22/32 HFT from approximately 1926. Mine is 423630 and it shipped in January, 1926.

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I do not have 444985 listed however the ones that I do have with 444 as their first 3 digits all shipped in 1926 or 1927. This is no guarantee but unless this gun is a flier then that should be close.
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I do not have 444985 listed however the ones that I do have with 444 as their first 3 digits all shipped in 1926 or 1927. This is no guarantee but unless this gun is a flier then that should be close.
I am very embarrassed: the number I gave you was being looked at upside down through 76 year old eyes. The owner and I took a closer look with better light and she thinks the correct number is:
495777 (sounds lucky, don't it?)
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If that number is correct then it moves the date to January-February of 1929 so lucky in one regard that it was bought 8 or 9 months before the market crash in October of 1929!!!

The serial number should also be on the face of the cylinder and possibly inside the right stock panel in pencil. That one requires good eyes, bright light and most times a magnifying glass.

If you can send photos I will add it to the data base.
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