Smith & Wesson Forum

Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > Smith & Wesson Revolvers > S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961

Notices

S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 All 5-Screw & Vintage 4-Screw SWING-OUT Cylinder REVOLVERS, and the 35 Autos and 32 Autos


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 02-15-2024, 12:19 PM
mchom mchom is offline
SWCA Member
Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED  
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Oklahoma City
Posts: 701
Likes: 4,189
Liked 1,620 Times in 382 Posts
Default Triple Lock MODIFIED

Heavily modified 44 First Model HE
Appears to be modified post war
I'm no expert but it seems to be a copy of a Kings Target sighting system. There is no Kings marking anywhere on sights. The logo is heavily polished. Stocks do not number. It started life as an original 4" fixed sight revolver. From recent Waco auction a month ago.
I just thought it was cool



Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 02-15-2024, 12:42 PM
Keith Brown Keith Brown is offline
Vendor
Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED  
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Beavercreek,Oh,USA
Posts: 827
Likes: 2
Liked 2,908 Times in 441 Posts
Default

Very cool modified Smith, love it with the service stocks even though it would be less pleasant to shoot. Notice the slight break to the corners of the rear sight blade, neat touch.
__________________
kbgrips.com
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
  #3  
Old 02-15-2024, 12:55 PM
larry21556 larry21556 is offline
US Veteran
Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED  
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Sparks, Nevada
Posts: 324
Likes: 38
Liked 580 Times in 88 Posts
Default

I agree it is cool. A horrible thing to do to a rare pistol, but back in the day it wasn't a collectible. I have one similarly modified but the mods are now missing. I was going to try to restore it but the welding is beyond my skill level and this one has inspired me to try to duplicate the rib. Thanks for posting.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #4  
Old 02-15-2024, 01:34 PM
delta-419 delta-419 is offline
SWCA Member
Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED  
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: NW Florida
Posts: 2,241
Likes: 6,353
Liked 3,401 Times in 582 Posts
Default Triple Lock Modified

A very neat revolver and a well done mod in its day. I also have a similar modified Triple Lock in my collection with Micro sights. I think Micro Sights had some link with King but my memory fails me. Maybe someone here can correct me. I will post a few photos as comparison as soon as the battery charges up in my Canon. Great gun, how does she shoot?
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #5  
Old 02-15-2024, 01:41 PM
quinn's Avatar
quinn quinn is offline
SWCA Member
Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED  
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 3,526
Likes: 11,151
Liked 12,128 Times in 1,939 Posts
Default

That's something that might have tripped my "buy it now" finger, too. Good catch! I would suspect tha t those are early Micro sights as well.
__________________
Randy
Provenance nerd

Last edited by quinn; 02-15-2024 at 01:43 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Like Post:
  #6  
Old 02-15-2024, 01:43 PM
larry21556 larry21556 is offline
US Veteran
Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED  
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Sparks, Nevada
Posts: 324
Likes: 38
Liked 580 Times in 88 Posts
Default

Former employees of Kings started Micro which if memory serves resulted in some legal issues for Micro.
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
  #7  
Old 02-15-2024, 03:14 PM
SAFireman's Avatar
SAFireman SAFireman is offline
SWCA Member
Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED  
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Home of the Alamo
Posts: 5,837
Likes: 16,524
Liked 15,554 Times in 3,100 Posts
Default

It is VERY cool, I would be more than happy to give it a good home if you are dissatisfied with it
__________________
On the Oak Savannah
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #8  
Old 02-15-2024, 05:01 PM
BaylorCattleGuy BaylorCattleGuy is offline
Member
Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED  
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 16
Likes: 75
Liked 72 Times in 6 Posts
Default

I handled it at the preview. Very cool .44. I’m not one for safe queens as much as I am unique “using” revolvers so this definitely caught my eye. Good score.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #9  
Old 02-15-2024, 05:21 PM
mchom mchom is offline
SWCA Member
Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED  
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Oklahoma City
Posts: 701
Likes: 4,189
Liked 1,620 Times in 382 Posts
Default I think the previous owner...

Had this same exact way of thinking too!


Quote:
Originally Posted by BaylorCattleGuy View Post
I handled it at the preview. Very cool .44. I’m not one for safe queens as much as I am unique “using” revolvers so this definitely caught my eye. Good score.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #10  
Old 02-15-2024, 05:29 PM
6string's Avatar
6string 6string is offline
Member
Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED  
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Upstate, SC
Posts: 2,025
Likes: 3,119
Liked 4,803 Times in 1,536 Posts
Default

Very nicely done!
The work done to it compliments the original style and is quite functional.
Here's an analogy that might provide another perspective on modifications:
There is only one known Stradivarius violin that is still in its original, unmodified form. All the ones that are typically heard on recordings, seen in concerts, displayed in museums, etc, have been altered to suit differing tastes and needs of musicians.
Also, the best sounding Stradivarius violins are the ones that are played regularly. If they are simply stored away in a vault, they actually deteriorate tone-wise.

None of this, though, is to advocate for the practice of seeking out rare, original artifacts for the purpose of altering them.
Rather, I'm just suggesting that, sometimes, modifications have a value in their own right. Judging that value is a highly subjective, and potentially argumentative, task.

In any case, nice revolver!
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #11  
Old 02-15-2024, 06:08 PM
LLOYD17's Avatar
LLOYD17 LLOYD17 is offline
US Veteran
Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED  
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: STL
Posts: 886
Likes: 1,097
Liked 4,175 Times in 546 Posts
Default

Seems similar to guns Red9 has come across,

Modified or Butchered?
__________________
SWCA: 3154
SWHF: 552
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #12  
Old 02-15-2024, 08:12 PM
M_conrad_0311's Avatar
M_conrad_0311 M_conrad_0311 is offline
SWCA Member
Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED  
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: TN - Tennessee
Posts: 487
Likes: 1,972
Liked 2,123 Times in 301 Posts
Default

Congratulations! I think that is a pretty slick little TL. There is a lot to love about that great shooter. It is one I almost took a long shot at, but I had used a good chunk of my gun money on the John Gallagher Ruger. So, I refrained. Like yourself and others here, I would be a proud owner of that modified 44! Shoot it in good health!
__________________
Matthew Conrad
Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Like Post:
  #13  
Old 02-16-2024, 12:09 AM
Shotguncoach Shotguncoach is offline
SWCA Member
Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED  
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Arizona
Posts: 488
Likes: 380
Liked 2,225 Times in 371 Posts
Default

I'm glad you got that one.....and I have to admit that I'm at least partially responsible for the final price.

I hope more from that auction end up here. Mine are sitting at my FFL waiting for me to get there.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #14  
Old 02-16-2024, 02:37 AM
RKmesa's Avatar
RKmesa RKmesa is online now
SWCA Member
Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED  
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: AZ
Posts: 7,414
Likes: 27,896
Liked 45,728 Times in 4,814 Posts
Default

I like that one!!! Congrats!
__________________
Richard
Engraved S&W fan
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #15  
Old 02-16-2024, 03:07 AM
rct269 rct269 is offline
SWCA Member
Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED  
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Pikeville, Tennessee
Posts: 6,060
Likes: 922
Liked 9,949 Times in 3,657 Posts
Default

I agree with your appraisal it's not a King Super Target rib---that based on my expertise gained by having owned exactly one King Super Target Triple Lock. So much for my statistical credibility!

That said, it's a nice looking modification, and more importantly it improves the gun----that in marked contrast to some of the butcher shop jobs we see here from time to time.

As to the King/Micro connection, I've forgotten almost more than I ever paid any attention to, but some King employees left King to go into business for themselves---which is the business they learned at King. Mistake #1 was they copied a King product pretty much first crack out of the box---the Cockeyed Hammer(??) which annoyed Mr. King enough to call his lawyers----directing them to sue the pants off of these scoundrels---and that they did-----started anyway. My dim recollection is King lost the lawsuit, but I don't recall the why of it---if I ever even knew in the first place.

All that contributed to that old saying "Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes the bear eats you!" There's a happy thought!!

Ralph Tremaine

AND---just for the hell of it, I just asked Google if they knew anymore about it than I do----and sure enough, they do. Google King Gunsight Co. vs Micro Sights.

Last edited by rct269; 02-16-2024 at 03:24 AM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #16  
Old 02-16-2024, 03:18 AM
Tom K's Avatar
Tom K Tom K is offline
SWCA Member
Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED  
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Tulsa, OK area
Posts: 2,876
Likes: 1,461
Liked 7,055 Times in 1,581 Posts
Default

Mike, the pictures of your revolver make me think it might be the work of Joe Lamping, a Cincinnati gunsmith. It looks similar in execution to a modified Triple Lock that I bought at a Tulsa Wanenmacher gun show back in 2014. I posted about it here: Triple Lock target conversion (not King) - Tulsa, April 2014 See post #23. Sadly the image host I used died so none of my pictures show up. More sadly, I had a hard drive crash in 2014 and the pictures I took from that time are gone.

I do still have the gun, so if I can find time I might haul it out and take some new pics.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #17  
Old 02-16-2024, 09:49 AM
red9 red9 is offline
SWCA Member
Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED  
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Virginia
Posts: 1,179
Likes: 1,051
Liked 2,546 Times in 462 Posts
Default

Definitely the same gunsmith as the two I had (post #11). The hammer and front sight are the keys to identifying his work. Several others (All that I've seen are N-frames, except one Colt) have shown up in posts and auctions. As far as I know, no one has ID'd the source, at least on this forum.

Bob

Last edited by red9; 02-16-2024 at 09:50 AM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #18  
Old 02-16-2024, 12:37 PM
delta-419 delta-419 is offline
SWCA Member
Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED  
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: NW Florida
Posts: 2,241
Likes: 6,353
Liked 3,401 Times in 582 Posts
Talking Modified Triple Lock 44

I'm back from my first post above. It took all hands and the cook to get my camera to function for these two shots, low battery and filled up memory card, not my day. This TL number 11665 modification was done many years ago. Someone took a rusty, pitted, old gun and made a neat carry piece. The nickel was done over the rust pits. Both front and rear sights are marked Micro. The action is the classic Triple Lock with a smooth trigger pull in DA with very little cylinder play. The barrel was cut for this project gun and remains bright with good lands and grooves. The hammer has US patent office stamped on its back. Its a good shooter and truck gun.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_2181.jpg (82.8 KB, 45 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_2182.jpg (58.5 KB, 29 views)
Reply With Quote
The Following 7 Users Like Post:
  #19  
Old 02-16-2024, 09:44 PM
Tom K's Avatar
Tom K Tom K is offline
SWCA Member
Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED Triple Lock MODIFIED  
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Tulsa, OK area
Posts: 2,876
Likes: 1,461
Liked 7,055 Times in 1,581 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom K View Post
Mike, the pictures of your revolver make me think it might be the work of Joe Lamping, a Cincinnati gunsmith. It looks similar in execution to a modified Triple Lock that I bought at a Tulsa Wanenmacher gun show back in 2014. I posted about it here: Triple Lock target conversion (not King) - Tulsa, April 2014 See post #23. Sadly the image host I used died so none of my pictures show up. More sadly, I had a hard drive crash in 2014 and the pictures I took from that time are gone.

I do still have the gun, so if I can find time I might haul it out and take some new pics.
Here are some pictures of the Triple Lock that I mentioned. It was originally a .455 British service revolver and converted to .45 Colt by deepening the chambers, and shaving the back of the cylinder face for correct headspacing. Consequently there is no serial number on the cylinder.





The shaping of the the hammer is one of the things that leads me to believe it may be the work of the same gunsmith.


Also the profile of the windage screw on the rear sight. Early click-adjustable S&W sights used a flat windage screw head, like this one. It was later changed to a domed shape.


(I also updated my original post about this gun to add pictures as best I could. Triple Lock target conversion (not King) - Tulsa, April 2014 )

Last edited by Tom K; 02-16-2024 at 10:05 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 8 Users Like Post:
  #20  
Old 02-18-2024, 01:28 AM
MT99 MT99 is offline
Member
Triple Lock MODIFIED  
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: MN
Posts: 108
Likes: 22
Liked 107 Times in 36 Posts
Default

I think I put a couple bids on that 4 incher too. Ended up with these two, which turned out to be better than expected.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg s&w.jpg (83.7 KB, 17 views)
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Smith & Wesson Triple Lock - Owned & Modified by R.W. Loveless bravo2five S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 76 04-15-2024 11:20 PM
Modified triple lock question paplinker S&W-Smithing 8 08-09-2022 08:37 PM
Modified Triple Lock Kansasgunner S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 15 08-22-2021 06:36 PM
Triple Lock Target Modified Grip Frame lonecowhand S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 12 10-14-2011 04:01 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:44 PM.


Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)