Smith & Wesson Forum

Advertise With Us Search
Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > Smith & Wesson Revolvers > S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961

Notices

S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 All 5-Screw & Vintage 4-Screw SWING-OUT Cylinder REVOLVERS, and the 35 Autos and 32 Autos


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 02-22-2024, 05:38 PM
gonzogeezer's Avatar
gonzogeezer gonzogeezer is offline
Member
Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster?  
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: South Central PA
Posts: 199
Likes: 11
Liked 37 Times in 24 Posts
Default Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster?

Hello All,

I have a 1944 Navy contract Victory revolver. A stamp on the backstrap shows it was issued to the Württemberg-Baden police, in the American Zone of Occupation (LP-WB). I’m fairly certain of the timing of this because Württemberg-Baden changed its name to Baden-Württemberg in 1952.

My questions are about what the correct holster would have been for this piece.

I know the Navy used the M3 shoulder holster, I’m assuming for pilots and flight crews. What belt holster was used by the Navy? The regular “US” flap holster?

What holster would have been used by my Victory in the police force? Some surplus holster, the Navy-issued belt holster, or would they have procured something more in keeping with their uniforms and standards?


Thanks for any information.

Lee
__________________
-gonzo, SoCenPA.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 02-22-2024, 06:28 PM
ordnanceguy ordnanceguy is offline
SWCA Member
Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster?  
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Sunny Florida, USA
Posts: 1,833
Likes: 126
Liked 4,151 Times in 820 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gonzogeezer View Post

My questions are about what the correct holster would have been for this piece.

I know the Navy used the M3 shoulder holster, I’m assuming for pilots and flight crews. What belt holster was used by the Navy? The regular “US” flap holster?

What holster would have been used by my Victory in the police force? Some surplus holster, the Navy-issued belt holster, or would they have procured something more in keeping with their uniforms and standards?
Hello Lee:

During WW2 the Navy, the Marines and the Coast Guard used as belt holsters for the Victory Model a russet leather flap holster as seen below. It was unmarked but was manufactured by Brauer Brothers.



Post-war West German police forces using the Victory revolvers supplied by the U.S. used a black leather flap holster of local origin. I don't have a picture of one handy right now.

What's the serial number of your Victory? I'd like to add it to the Victory Model Database.

Hope this helps you.

Regards,
Charlie
__________________
Charlie Flick
SWCA 729 HF 215
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #3  
Old 02-22-2024, 06:36 PM
gonzogeezer's Avatar
gonzogeezer gonzogeezer is offline
Member
Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster?  
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: South Central PA
Posts: 199
Likes: 11
Liked 37 Times in 24 Posts
Default

Thank you for the information, Charlie. My gun may already be in the database, 477248.

I also have a 5” Victory in .38 S&W with British proofs. Do you record them in your database as well?
__________________
-gonzo, SoCenPA.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 02-23-2024, 08:09 PM
ordnanceguy ordnanceguy is offline
SWCA Member
Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster?  
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Sunny Florida, USA
Posts: 1,833
Likes: 126
Liked 4,151 Times in 820 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gonzogeezer View Post
Thank you for the information, Charlie. My gun may already be in the database, 477248. I also have a 5” Victory in .38 S&W with British proofs. Do you record them in your database as well?
Thank you, Gonzo. No, your .38 Spec. was not in the Database but it is now.

Yes, we do record information on 5" .38 S&W guns. In addition to the barrel length and caliber we record the current finish, the stock type, the left top strap markings, any post-factory applied markings (such as the British proofs you mentioned or import marks), and any post-factory modifications such as cut barrels or rechambering. Factory letter data is especially helpful.

Please let me know the details on your 5 incher.

Regards,
Charlie
__________________
Charlie Flick
SWCA 729 HF 215
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 02-24-2024, 12:13 PM
Ameshawki Ameshawki is offline
SWCA Member
Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster?  
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Ames Iowa
Posts: 629
Likes: 10
Liked 720 Times in 343 Posts
Default

It was a standard European style flap holster in black. I have one somewhere in the pile. They turn up on eBay from time to time.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02-24-2024, 12:35 PM
gunbarrel gunbarrel is offline
SWCA Member
Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster?  
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 365
Likes: 311
Liked 522 Times in 184 Posts
Default

I think this is it.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Screenshot_20240224-110426~3.jpg (20.3 KB, 53 views)
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #7  
Old 02-25-2024, 07:21 AM
gonzogeezer's Avatar
gonzogeezer gonzogeezer is offline
Member
Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster?  
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: South Central PA
Posts: 199
Likes: 11
Liked 37 Times in 24 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gunbarrel View Post
I think this is it.
The hold down tab looks very similar to German authority holsters in my collection. Thanks for the information.
__________________
-gonzo, SoCenPA.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 03-02-2024, 01:09 PM
gonzogeezer's Avatar
gonzogeezer gonzogeezer is offline
Member
Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster?  
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: South Central PA
Posts: 199
Likes: 11
Liked 37 Times in 24 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ordnanceguy View Post
Thank you, Gonzo. No, your .38 Spec. was not in the Database but it is now.

Yes, we do record information on 5" .38 S&W guns. In addition to the barrel length and caliber we record the current finish, the stock type, the left top strap markings, any post-factory applied markings (such as the British proofs you mentioned or import marks), and any post-factory modifications such as cut barrels or rechambering. Factory letter data is especially helpful.

Please let me know the details on your 5 incher.

Regards,
Charlie
Charlie here are some photos of the British Victory.
S&W Victory .38 5**¯ LĆ¼neburg Polizei - Google Photos
__________________
-gonzo, SoCenPA.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 03-02-2024, 01:20 PM
gonzogeezer's Avatar
gonzogeezer gonzogeezer is offline
Member
Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster? Navy Victory issued to West German police: what holster?  
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: South Central PA
Posts: 199
Likes: 11
Liked 37 Times in 24 Posts
Default

I have another question about these two Victory revolvers. The
Navy 4” is stamped “38 S. & W. SPECIAL CTG”. The British 5” is stamped “38 S. & W. CTG”. Now, both have the longer .38 Spl cylinders and both will chamber both .38 S&W and .38 Spl cartridges. So my question is: does it matter which caliber I shoot in which gun? Judging by eye, both bullets appear to fit both muzzels to the same depth, with the S&W fitting further in than the Spl.

Thanks.
Lee
__________________
-gonzo, SoCenPA.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Victory revolver holsters for West German police gonzogeezer S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 9 07-10-2022 06:35 PM
Looking for My Dad's Issued Navy Victory .38 Raven26 S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 35 01-11-2019 06:43 PM
Victory, Navy Issued digi-shots S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 24 01-28-2018 09:46 AM
1942 issued Victory 38 smith and wesson 4" barrel U.S Navy markings Abewaistcat GUNS - For Sale or Trade 2 06-05-2017 08:45 AM
German police S&W victory remo S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 6 06-18-2012 07:11 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:46 PM.


Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)