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Imported Victory SV
What can you tell me about this model. SV811640. CAI import. Not the proper stocks. No lanyard. IMG_9649.jpg
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First, it is a postwar .38 Military & Police revolver, not a wartime Victory Model. It appears to have been a factory nickel plated unit.
I do not have specific information on this one, but I do know there were 500 units in this serial range that were exported to an unknown destination, possibly in 1945. I strongly suspect this is one of them.
If you have the gun in hand, you might check the inside of the right hand stock panel to see if the stocks number to the gun. Also, see if the retaining washer is machined or pressed steel. That would likely tell us something more.
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I have SV 809976, close to yours. Shipped to HD Folsom Co., 4-4-1946.
Has the lanyard loop hole factory filled and sports a pair of pre war magna stocks numbered to the gun. Big Larry
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Definitely made in 1945, and only in 1945. The SV series began production in very early 1945, and not very many were made. Quite a few SV Victories were made up from parts remaining in S&W inventory at war’s end, given a commercial finish and sold on the civilian market beginning in early 1946. Yours may very well be one of those, and the grips may be original. Check to see if the grips are numbered to the gun, SN should be stamped inside the right grip panel. Some SVs (no idea how many) went to the US Military, and those would normally have “U.S. PROPERTY” stamped on the topstrap.
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The grips are not numbered. It appears to be blued. Lanyard hole is plugged and pinned.
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The grips are not numbered. It appears to be blued. Lanyard hole is plugged and pinned.
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Odd. Whether original to the gun or not, there should have been a stamped SN there at the time the grips of that style were made.
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The grips are not numbered. It appears to be blued. Lanyard hole is plugged and pinned.
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A plugged lanyard swivel hole would be typical of a SV sold on the civilian market in 1946.
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Here's a picture of the grips. These or ones like them have been on this revolver for a while. The frame is badly pitted under them.
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Production of SV marked revolvers began in December, 1944, but shipments didn't start until January, 1945. Approximately 80,000 units were produced but a large number of those had not been assembled by the time the war ended in August, 1945. The remainder were held while the factory retooled after the war. It wasn't until March 1, 1946, that civilian shipments began in earnest and most of the earliest units out the door had the SV prefix. There was a shipment to the Cleveland Police Department in February, 1946. Curiously, these were not SV units, but were in the serial range S815000.
After a closer look at your pictures, I tend to agree. It does appear to be blued. Frankly, that makes a lot more sense to me, given the serial number. I still think it is likely to have been one of the 500 export guns, which explains the import stamps that you reported.
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Interesting discussion, and I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I have SV812256 with the plugged hole. I have had it for a long time and never lettered it. I'm not sure one would tell me much but now my curiosity is kicking in. The gun is in high condition so I'm thinking it was not a repatriated export. I'll dig up some photos. I would have to pull it out to see if the stocks are numbered to the gun but I think they are. I will check,.
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Should have started a new thread, but here goes. The stock circle insert is unmarked blued milled steel (early post war). The are stamped 807402 so I'm wondering if they just got mixed up at the factory or they were swapped by some department that owned the gun. I'm getting a letter on this one.
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I have a post war SV Victory with plugged lanyard hole all correct including grips. Serial SV8093xx. I lettered it shipped March 1946.
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I strongly suspect that 811640 was in that batch of 500.
I have S (no V) 812894, which is an NYPD gun and lacks the V. Shipped 05MAR46.
Your gun is likely 12/45 or so I think.
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Nice pre-war magnas Baxter.
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I have SV812256 with the plugged hole.
I'm thinking it was not a repatriated export.
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Yours was almost certainly in a domestic shipment. A lot of the SV812000 units were and are recorded in my database as shipping in March, 1946.
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stamped 807402 so I'm wondering if they just got mixed up at the factory or they were swapped by some department that owned the gun
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Swapped by someone at some time. Probably not shipped that way.
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The very earliest postwar Magna stocks had machined washers, either blued or in-the-white. But the stamped steel washers (shown above, in Post #8) did show up pretty early. SV805991 is the lowest serial number I've found with the stamped washer; shipped March, 1946.
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I have S (no V) 812894, which is an NYPD gun and lacks the V. Shipped 05MAR46.
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Hi Robert
Yes, there are a few SV guns in the 812000 range, but the vast majority have only the simple S.
I have a few listed from S812880 to S812906 that have the machined washer in-the-white. Are the washers on yours of that type?
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W4 in post 14 called the stocks “pre war” magnas but Jack above noted the earliest post war magnas had machined washers. Mine appear machined, correct? I pulled revolver out for more pics. I had forgotten that the stocks had been notched for the grip adapter.
RM - any idea if Sloan’s Sporting Goods NYC supplied revolvers to NYPD ?
Post 9 Jack says shipments began March 1 1946 - mine shipped March 7th. Very cool.
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One thing I am noticing about the SV guns, mine included, is SV shows on the butt but not on the barrel flat or rear of the cylinder. Only the V stamped in those two places. The S on the side plate is understandable, as that part had to be machined for the sliding hammer block. Are you finding that the S is normally absent on the barrel and cylinder?
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On my barrel flat and rear of cylinder just the number is stamped - no V or SV.
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W4 in post 14 called the stocks “pre war” magnas but Jack above noted the earliest post war magnas had machined washers. Mine appear machined, correct?
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Yes, yours are the prewar style stocks. Some of these shipped in the first two months of postwar shipment. There is debate over whether they are left-overs from before the war or if a small number were made after the war. There is a document from the early 1940s saying S&W had no more in stock, but the possibility remains that some were discovered in 1945. Who knows? In any case, it appears that none of them shipped later than about mid-April, 1946.
Your washers are machined and in-the-white. That is consistent with the prewar style checking.
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One thing I am noticing about the SV guns, mine included, is SV shows on the butt but not on the barrel flat or rear of the cylinder. Only the V stamped in those two places.
Are you finding that the S is normally absent on the barrel and cylinder?
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My recollection is that the S often does show up on the barrel flat. Later today, I'll pull some out of the safe and see what I find. No time to do that now. Since the butt number is the official location, I suppose the fitters and inspectors didn't care much if it was stamped in the other locations.
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Pic of my boxed SV.
Got this from a fellow member. This is my 1st attempt to show a picture. Big Larry
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Got this from a fellow member. This is my 1st attempt to show a picture. Big Larry
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You did good Larry. Good looking M&P too.
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Thanks W4. It is # SV 809976, shipped 4-4-1946. Shipped to the HD Folsom Co. whoever they were. Has the plugged hole and the small "s" on the side plate. Prewar magas numbered to the gun. Also, the original, numbered, maroon box. Letter states it was made with Victory parts. It is a good 98% and I am proud to have it in my collection. Big Larry
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Thanks for the info. Curious about the unmarked stocks. Gonna order a letter cause why not.
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Thanks for the info. Curious about the unmarked stocks. Gonna order a letter cause why not.
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Yea, why not? That's what I say. My request went out Monday. I'm hoping for a LE connection.
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Got my letter back. Briefly, it states it was part of an order of 500 by Frank Sheridan Jonas & Son - Dec. 11, 1945; Shipped on S.S. Anita in cases marked D.F.S.P. Rio. [assuming "Departamento Federal de Segurança Pública" (Brazil federal police)] Shipped with butt swivel (now removed and plugged) and smooth walnut stocks (now replaced). Then later imported by CAI.
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Interesting information.
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Got my letter back. Briefly, it states it was part of an order of 500 by Frank Sheridan Jonas & Son - Dec. 11, 1945; Shipped on S.S. Anita in cases marked D.F.S.P. Rio. [assuming "Departamento Federal de Segurança Pública" (Brazil federal police)] Shipped with butt swivel (now removed and plugged) and smooth walnut stocks (now replaced). Then later imported by CAI.
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Very helpful. Thanks.
This confirms what I suspected from your first post (see my posts #2 and #9.
Additional info going into my database. Much appreciated!
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Very helpful. Thanks.
This confirms what I suspected from your first post (see my posts #2 and #9.
Additional info going into my database. Much appreciated!
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Forgot to add. They were billed at $27.00 each.
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Now if someone could come up with a similar letter indicating where those postwar .32 Long M&Ps were exported to and when…..
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Now if someone could come up with a similar letter indicating where those postwar .32 Long M&Ps were exported to and when.
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Yes. Those were sold to Sloan's, which was also a distributor engaged in the export business. I've tracked several of them to Sloan's, but not beyond them.
As Robert was suggesting in a different thread, there are probably some of Sloan's records sitting out there somewhere . . .
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Mine lettered to Sloan’s, no worthwhile additional information was provided. Some have shown up in various parts of South America. And presumably most were exported to some undefined location, never to return. Those have to be among the rarest S&Ws, probably up there with the Mexican Models.
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