Hendricks
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How much does this effect value ?
I guess quite a bit,but everyones not got one
I guess quite a bit,but everyones not got one
Round butting effect on value
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Hendricks
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How much does this effect value ?
I guess quite a bit,but everyones not got one
I guess quite a bit,but everyones not got one
i don't know about value, but i like it. what is it? lee
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Hendricks
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2nd model K22.
James
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Depends on whether you're buying or selling
bruce, send me one of yours. i got some new files for christmas and have always wanted to try to round a butt. did that sound right? lee
Where did those grips come from?? I've not seen any like that before.
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Hendricks
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http://smith-wessonforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5401039...121030311#2121030311
John the above link is about that can't say for sure.
James
John the above link is about that can't say for sure.
James
The thing about customized guns, or refinished guns, is that anyone, at any
time, can have this kind of work done, putting aside the question about who
might be qualified to do it. At any time, someone can have this kind of work
done.
Therefore, as photogenic as it is, the most it can possibly effect the value
of the gun , is whatever it costs to do this work. There is no collector value
to this kind of work. So, if it costs , say $300 to do this conversion, then
that is the most that anyone would rationally want to pay for it, above and
beyond the value of the gun itself.
But - since it does not enhance the collector value, but rather tends to
take away a lot of the collector value, it diminishes the value of the gun.
Of course, the grips are worth something, but from reading the previous thread
on this gun, they will only fit this gun, so there is not a large market for
them.
This is what I think about how the value of the gun is diminished. The conversion
itself probably took 50%, if not more, off the value of the gun. And, unless you
really want that conversion, its money down the drain - from a collector perspective.
The gun has been converted from a valuable 2nd model to a curiosity.
Later, Mike Priwer
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I sure wouldn't pay the going tariff for a pristine - unmodified - Second Model, but I'd love to own that gun. Very nice, I've got some M&P's that I'd trade for it....
Very nice, I don't remember the discussion about it last year, sorry I missed it.
Very nice, I don't remember the discussion about it last year, sorry I missed it.
Thank you, gorgeous grips!
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Just to stir thr pot a little, here is the article by Walter Roper That I mentioned in the other thread about a ROUND Butt K-22 built about 1910. It shows where Roper could have gotten the idea, at least. To fully understand this alteration, you need some good, CLOSEUP pics, or to have the gun in hand. I still contend the backstarp was REgrooved on the factory machinery because the grooves, both original and recut sections, have the same slightly untrue(leaning) cant. From the May, 1944 American Rifleman:
DHENRY
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Lee,
I was right with you until the "...eat a chuck." deal...
I'm assuming the chuck was a round-butt :>) ?
Don
I was right with you until the "...eat a chuck." deal...
I'm assuming the chuck was a round-butt :>) ?
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I bet for every collector that turns his nose up at this gorgeous handgun there is a shooter and appreciator of fine craftsmanship that will make up the difference in $.
Collectors are not the sole determiners of a gun's value.
Collectors are not the sole determiners of a gun's value.
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Don,
I really don't know Chuck THAT well....
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Hendricks
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Lee interesting article but havent you heard Mr Green has that gun in Texas.
Here is a pic of back strap & grip frame maybe you can use it to make your point.
You can see the scribe mark on side pic showing what would needed to be removed to
be a standard round but shape.
James
Here is a pic of back strap & grip frame maybe you can use it to make your point.
You can see the scribe mark on side pic showing what would needed to be removed to
be a standard round but shape.
James
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True, but we're what drives the top end of the price. The middle and lower ranges are shooter grade guns, and no sane person pays collector prices if he's not a collector. A good case can be made that collectors aren't even sane!
2nd model prices have exploded upward. A few years ago even pristine ones were under $2000. shooter grade guns couldn't command $1000. Anyone with a shooter grade gun could still make the modification. We've all (I think) assumed that the beautiful gun shown here is refinished. I say that because obviously the grip frame has been modified, which leads us to conclude that. So what we're talking about is a well done mod, along with some great aftermarket grips. The gun, if original and unmodified but in similar conditon would bring over $5000. I can't think any shooter would pay that. Except for the problems with making the grips (Keith Brown, are you looking and taking notes?
This gun reminds me of another similar story. Some years ago, a friend
had what looked like a round-butt K-frame with Roper stocks. He was trying
to sell the gun, and I bought the stocks, giving him something else to put
on the gun. They were indeed Ropers, and I put them away and forgot about
them.
Then, some years later, Robby Mattson saw them, and one way or another, he
took them back to Seattle. The gun was not a 'true' round-butt, much like
this one. As I recall, and Robby may comment, the backstrap corresponded
to a round butt, but the front strap corresponded to a square butt.
Eventually I sold them thru an Amoskeag auction.
Who knows what the real story is, for this gun. Maybe the gun had some
serious surface damage, andd someone decided to convert the backstrap
to round-butt, then refinish the whole thing. I know - I know, its not
refinished, but it maybe/probably is.
Later, Mike Priwer
had what looked like a round-butt K-frame with Roper stocks. He was trying
to sell the gun, and I bought the stocks, giving him something else to put
on the gun. They were indeed Ropers, and I put them away and forgot about
them.
Then, some years later, Robby Mattson saw them, and one way or another, he
took them back to Seattle. The gun was not a 'true' round-butt, much like
this one. As I recall, and Robby may comment, the backstrap corresponded
to a round butt, but the front strap corresponded to a square butt.
Eventually I sold them thru an Amoskeag auction.
Who knows what the real story is, for this gun. Maybe the gun had some
serious surface damage, andd someone decided to convert the backstrap
to round-butt, then refinish the whole thing. I know - I know, its not
refinished, but it maybe/probably is.
Later, Mike Priwer
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Dick; Just ask Shara and the Rest of the Brady Bunch and they'll tell you that none of us are sane!!! Collectors at least just want the "awful things" to just look at but those Nasty Shooters just have to be waiting to shoot someone like the President or some flunky who works for him, so the real insane types must be the Shooters!!! Don't you think???
I "Collect Shooters and Shoot Collectibles" so I must rate someplace well off the scale entirely!!! And, I'm Damn Proud of it.
MAK
Interesting thread, as was/is the earlier one on this gun.
I seem to recall reading a post here some time ago where a square butt target of some sort had been round butted, and the conclusion was that it was done for a woman with small hands...
I seem to recall reading a post here some time ago where a square butt target of some sort had been round butted, and the conclusion was that it was done for a woman with small hands...
