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Has the flaming bomb w/R below. Two spots have the "bust" of an eagle w/SE but the E looks like a Greek letter. 11907X Magna style stags that are flat on the inside, have nickel sized half slugs glued to fit inside the frame and are bulged on the outside in the middle similar to Cokes. The bottom of the stocks are cut on around a 30 degree angle. The cylinder locks up w/play and the lanyard has been filled, ground, but the US army model 1917 survived nicely, w/little wear on the edges along w/very clean serial #. Side plate is smooth, no markings. On the barrel flat the serial #s are tiny w/big fat R and the bird w/se.
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Has the flaming bomb w/R below. Two spots have the "bust" of an eagle w/SE but the E looks like a Greek letter. 11907X Magna style stags that are flat on the inside, have nickel sized half slugs glued to fit inside the frame and are bulged on the outside in the middle similar to Cokes. The bottom of the stocks are cut on around a 30 degree angle. The cylinder locks up w/play and the lanyard has been filled, ground, but the US army model 1917 survived nicely, w/little wear on the edges along w/very clean serial #. Side plate is smooth, no markings. On the barrel flat the serial #s are tiny w/big fat R and the bird w/se.
I've seen worse wanting more...
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12-05-2008, 07:26 PM
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I just noticed that the serial# listed @ auction was s/n 92707. Not even close to 11907X. Can anyone tell me the date difference? Same range give or take 27,000...
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Ser. # 121348 was shipped in October 1918, so your gun should be close to that date. Ed.
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Thank you kindly sir. Wanted a 1917 and wanted stag stocks. Got them both in the same package. I didn't think about the stags having a swell in the middle though. For some reason I guessed they would be on a flat plane. Guess I'm gonna have to snag some moon clips...
s/n 92707 isn't. You guessed, it's stamped in frame opposite the yoke, howevah my invoice has that # as the serial #...
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Nice old gun. I wanted one of those from the time they were about $29.95 (?) in the 60s, but for some reason never nailed one down. Eventually they all disappeared into drawers across the country, and became pearls of great price when they did see daylight.
Guess I'm not willing to pay the going price; but sure would like to stumble over a fantastic deal on one.
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Moon clips are available lots of places, but Midway and Dillon I know both have them.
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I just noticed that the serial# listed @ auction was s/n 92707. Not even close to 11907X. Can
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Nick, I think the SN in the yoke/crane area applies to Colt made M1917. The number on the butt was the Army's sn/inventory number, the Colt sn was elsewhere as said. However S&W started right off using the butt number as the sequential serial number and the yoke/crane number as an "assembly" number. S&W sn should also be in several other places. Underside of the barrel, back of cylinder, on crane (viewable through charge holes), back of extractor star and ? (I can't remember!) Anyway, I think coolgunsite has some info. Regards, Ray
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11907x is the serial # and the butt, brl flat, cylinder and extractor all match. The problem is the assembliers # was used in the invoice as being the serial #. Naturally I'm going to want a receipt w/correct, real serial #. I'd like to know what the big R under the flaming bomb and on the brl flat stood for. It's a large capital R...
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I'd like to have a couple for back-up @ that price. Around here I see junk from 400 and up. Rubber stocks, non matching, non-radiused cut brl and look like they've been used for a hammer & boomerang...
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Nice catch! That's a good-looking .45! I'll be very interested in hearing how it shoots.
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Hopefully I'll snag some moon clips soon.
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You don't need clips to shoot the S&W 1917s; the fired rounds just won't eject without either shaking them out or perhaps using a pencil or dowel to punch 'em out.
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I loaded up the cylinder just for fun and it looked funny w/boolits sittin' there while I operated the extractor. Not being that familiar w/1917 I was surprised @ how far the acp shells stuck out from the face of the cylinder. I halfway expected them to fall flush. Of course that would have made for quite the journey for the firing pin. I noticed the bores all had a ring and wondered if that was holding the cases or if the cases were on a taper...
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If you are going to shoot your 1917 with steel moons you must have a de-mooner. I never really shot mine much until I made a de-mooner out of an old golf club shaft. It turned the awful chore of getting brass out of the moon into child's play and now I shoot my Brazilian all the time.
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Yes. The cartridges headspace of the mouth of the case, just like in a Colt 1911 barrel.
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I can see the golf shaft de-mooner.
Say Muley, any ole ball ammo work in the old gal? I have some UMC 230gn...
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Other than being an assembler's mark is there any other distinction for the capital R under the flaming bomb on the left side top of the frame by the hammer? The R is on the Barrel flat along w/bust of the bird & the cylinder face has the R & the bird. Combine that w/bird down by the trigger guard and opposite of the crane on the frame & I conclude that bird gets around as much as the serial #.
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