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The ultimate Model 19/66 Combat Magnum thread
Inspired by Allen-frames iconic Ultimate Highway Patrolman thread and the wealth of information we have all gained from it, I would like to see if we can learn a little more about the Combat Magnum and the changes made to it over the years.
As with the threads on the Highway Patrolman, there are many threads on this forum containing info on the Model 19 and 66 Combat Magnums. Trying to find the bits of information hidden within them all would be very time consuming and might still lack some bit of information that could shed some light on these for the rest of us. So, the more information pertaining to the engineering changes we put here, the clearer the picture may become.
It has been well published that the engineering changes are as follows:
“pre”...............(1955) Thanks to S&W and Bill Jordan, introduced at K260001
19..................(1957) Stamping of model number
19-1...............(1959) Change extractor rod, right to left hand thread
19-2...............(1961) Delete trigger guard screw, change cylinder stop
.....................(1963) 50 made with 2-1/2” barrel; K544672-K544721
.....................(1966) 2-1/2” barrel introduced as standard
19-3...............(1967) Relocate rear sight leaf screw
66..................(1970) Introduced at K949100
19-4 (66-1)......(1977) Move gas ring from yoke to cylinder
19-5 (66-2)......(1982) Eliminate cylinder counterbore and pinned barrel
66-3...............(1986) New yoke screw, floating hand, and hammer nose bushing
19-6...............(1988) New yoke screw, floating hand, and hammer nose bushing
19-7 (66-4)......(1994) New rear leaf sight, drill and tap frame, change extractor, and Uncle Mike’s synthetic grips.
.....................(1995) Delete square butt
.....................(1997) Change to MIM thumbpiece and trigger
19-8 (66-5).....(1998) Sep – Change to MIM hammer and floating firing pin
.....................(1999) Discontinue 2-1/2” barrel
.....................(1999) Nov – Model 19 discontinued
66-6...............(2002) Introduction of the Internal Lock
.....................(2005) Model 66 discontinued
If you were to go back and look at some of my old threads, you’d see I was quite confused about the Model 19, and it was the reason I joined this forum.
For example, the change from the -2 to the -3 was the relocation of the rear leaf screw. At the time I had a -2 (K7952xx) that not only did it ship in late 1968 (-3 announced in 1967), I could see no difference in the sight screw between it and the later ones I had. No wonder I was confused.
It wasn’t until recently when I picked up an earlier -2 (not much, Jun-68) that I noticed that its rear leaf screw was located further back, right over the barrel/cylinder gap.
So, they are both “-2” but K7952xx appears to have the “-3” engineering change. My hope with this thread is that we can narrow down where that and some of the other changes occurred.
As I am sure we have all noticed, serial numbers vs. time frame seldom matter with S&W. Although I have seen non-model marked Combat Magnums in the K38xxxx range, here’s a 4-screw Model (marked) 19, K3166xx.
It’s not like we need an excuse for a picture thread here but maybe a closer examination of the Combat Magnums we own can bring some interesting and informative facts about them to light.
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Here's a third version of the chart I am working on showing which model and serial number range. It is a work in progress! I will update it as I go and let you know if something significant changes.
Click on the picture for the full size image (thumbnail is more updated than link, for now.  )
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There are some 66-1's without pinned barrel but have the recessed cylinder. My 99K prefix is such a gun. Also has right stock serialized(last four digits) to the gun
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The Ultimate Combat Magnum??? You must be talkin' 'bout the S&W M-66-1 2 1/2" !!!!!
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M19-3, DOB 1976, P&R mediocre photo but in really great shape. 9K964XX:
M19-5, DOB Dec. 1986, not P&R, fancy Hogue pau ferro grips. AVB40XX:
Okay. I've added serial numbers, done my part,
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Nice pics,a 4 screw CM is one of my grail guns.I have a 6" 19-3 in the box I've never shot and a 2 1/2" nickel 19-3 that just sits in the safe.After I got a 66-3 2 1/2"er, I kinda am losing interest in them.
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A couple of Combat Magnums. I only have two but that model is one of my favorites. I'd just about fly to Cajun Country to relieve Many of that gorgeous example he posted above.
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I hope to make a chart at the end showing the serial number range, etc. for each 'dash' so if you'd be willing to include model number and partial serial number, it would be appreciated.
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19-3 4" P&R with non-diamond football relieved targets. Ransomed out of the armory. SN K8901XX 1969
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With original grips 66-1.
My current setup with Hogue Monogrips
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Here's a 19 no dash from Houston with rosewood magnas.
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my 66-1 serial #107K8** it's wearing the s&w wooden target grip right now.
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Serial number 7K26XXX. Made around 1975.
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Here's a 4 screw Combat Magnum. It's not the ultimate but I sure like it. 
non model marked K 3188xx
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This pair work for me as an armed guard: the Dash 6 is primary; Dash 4 is alternate.
Engineering details/differences are numerous, the most significant is the fully CNC-machined frame of the Dash 6.
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DW...Do you have a shipping date for K260082? (very nice Combat Magnum, by the way). I don't believe anyone has studied the Combat Magnum and I am curious as to when the lower serial numbered guns shipped. I have K260190 that shipped on May 1, 1956 and a K261000 range gun that shipped in June of that year.
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"THE" Ultimate....
....an uncataloged 3 inch.
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Somewhere, someday
WELL, I know where all the 4 screw guns are now.My fellow forum members have them.I hope there is one left out there for ME.
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DW...Do you have a shipping date for K260082? (very nice Combat Magnum, by the way). I don't believe anyone has studied the Combat Magnum and I am curious as to when the lower serial numbered guns shipped. I have K260190 that shipped on May 1, 1956 and a K261000 range gun that shipped in June of that year.
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Paul, Pre-Model 19 serial number K260082 was shipped in May of 1956. I hope that this helps. Roy G. Jinks, Historian, Smith & Wesson
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Quote:
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DW...Do you have a shipping date for K260082? (very nice Combat Magnum, by the way). I don't believe anyone has studied the Combat Magnum and I am curious as to when the lower serial numbered guns shipped. I have K260190 that shipped on May 1, 1956 and a K261000 range gun that shipped in June of that year.
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Doc44:
My K263007 4" blue Combat Magnum Pre-Model 19, Four Screw Variation, was shipped on February 18, 1957.
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Here is my model 19-3 4", s/n 9K93xxx shipped in February of 1978 and my 66-3 2.5", s/n BFP33xx shipped in December 0f 1990
The 19 was shipped after the run of dash 3s should have been over, but this is probably not a big deal, it is probably (?) among the last of the dash 3s.
Hope this helps with your project.
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Model 19-3 with 3Ts and led sight
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My 66-3 Lew Horton special one of 300 and the paper discribeing it. Mine has S&W wood grips instead of uncle mikes that the paper says. I seen one more, it also had grips like mine but with a diamound ivory inlay.
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My 66-3 Lew Horton special one of 300 and the paper discribeing it. Mine has S&W wood grips instead of uncle mikes that the paper says. I seen one more, it also had grips like mine but with a diamound ivory inlay.
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Wow! That 66-3 Lew Horton Special is loaded with upgrades! I did not know they had a modified model 66.
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This is my 19-4 It is a 98% gun and has TT, TH, TS and as a -4 its P&R.
The serial is 42K34XX. I don't know manufacture or ship dates...but its a sweet CM
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Chuck...thanks for the information.
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Not much to offer but these two. The 2.5 inchers are the only Combat Magnums I really care for.
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A late 2-1/2" Model 66 (no dash) that shipped in 1978, s/n 15K81xx. The gas ring is located on the cylinder (-1) instead of the yoke. All assembly numbers match.
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12-28-2009, 07:50 PM
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66-4. CAA80xx, shipped on Nov. 14, 1994
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12-28-2009, 08:55 PM
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Here is some of the information you requested by PM. As stated in another thread, I'm in the process of photographing my entire collection and some of the K frames have been put away already. I'll send you pictures of the box labels with special information as soon as I can.
Quite a serial number range on these 2 1/2" 66-1's. They are all brand new and I'm the original owner, bought over about a one or two year time frame.
Pictures of 4 and 6" -0 and -1 66's need to be sorted. All included, I have over 500 pictures of all the frames to sort out. May be a few weeks before I ge back to you...
I hope you can glean something from these pictures...
Terry
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12-28-2009, 10:23 PM
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Here's my 66-1 96K72xx Though I am sure there are more, I have scoured every picture of a 66-1 on this site and have yet to find one with the left side roll mark and P&R, does anyone have a left side roll mark that is P&R if so please post a pic of it, thanks.
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4 SCREW M-19 (MARKED)
My one and only ser.#K 408593 (the box is also numbered to the gun) is a 4 screw and stamped M-19.
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My Current Favorite Photo...
Currently splashed accross my desktop... TR210 
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Here are my contributions to the thread, a Model 19-7 and a Model 66-1-2. Both great shooters and they carry well also. The 19-7 now has Hogue Monos on it.
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My model 66-3
Model 66-3 custom
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S&W 19 2.5"
Here is the only Mod. 19 that I have, a 19-3. When I got it there were no
Round butt target grips available, so I cut down and fit these grips with a filler in the bottom front. I don't remember what S&W they were from. I cut in the red front sight, added the WO rear sight, and the smooth combat trigger, and had a trigger job done on it. The wood case was the first of 20 some that I have built. It has a Bianchi 5B basket weave holster & Belt combo.
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