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What police departments issued the M-28 Highway Patrolman in 6 INCH barrel?
Above said question. Did any departments issue in 6 inch?
The gun was available in 4 and 6 inch. I've heard of individual cops who personally bought and carried the 6 inch version. But what police departments issued it? Were they for biker patrolmen? (that would kind of make sense since the long barrel can hang down on a bike and not get pushed up by a car seat in a patrol car)
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Washington State Patrol, until they switched to the Beretta 92F in 1989-90.
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I don't know the answer to your question but you have to remember that police cars have not always been crammed full of "stuff" like they are today. There was a time when cars had either bench seats, or buckets with no consol. Back then even cops might not wear seatbelts. Swivel holsters of one type or another were all the rage.. There was no "bat belt" with a radio, handcuffs, spare magazines, mace, stun gun, and so on, on the belt.
A long heavy revolver might not have been seen as such a liability in those days.
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I believe the California Highway Patrol also issued it along with others.
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I am uncertain of the date but the Columbia, Missouri Police Department issued 6" 28s in the early 1970s. Previously they had 4" M15s and maybe M10s. I have one of the retired M15s.
It seems the new Chief back then wanted a more intimidating visual presence by patrol officers. He instituted three changes as I recall: smaller patrol cars (economy), more SWAT-looking uniforms, and "big" 6" M28s. The first two continue to this day but the 6" revolvers didn't last long.
I heard of more than one left-handed officer who ruined the wooden grips of their issue M28 by slamming them in the driver side door of the smaller cars.
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CHP used 6" K frames.
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I recall a segment of Tactical Impact (choose your weapon) on the Sportsman Channel where they were discussing the SLA shootout in Los Angeles back in 1974. They said the weapons available to police were 1) the M-1 Carbine, 2) the Remington 870 Police magnum, 3) S&W M-28 .357 Magnum with a 6 inch barrel.
Having said that, it kind of confused me because 1) I thought that invovled the LAPD and at the time they were ussed the S&W M15 .38 Special with a 4 inch barrel and 2) they were issued the Ithica Police Special 12 Gauge slug gun/shot gun, 3) they were using M-16s or AR-15s and AR-18s
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I carried a 4 inch K-frame model 19 in the day(still have it)....but would have prefurred a 6 inch model 28....The office wouldn't let me carry the 6 inch....to much gun to show the public...Sheriff was afraid of bad press with big guns....45acp was also not allowed.
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....The office wouldn't let me carry the 6 inch....to much gun to show the public...Sheriff was afraid of bad press with big guns
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Seriously?!!!
How gay. 6 inch guns used to be fairly common in .38 special back in the 30s and 40s
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I am uncertain of the date but the Columbia, Missouri Police Department issued 6" 28s in the early 1970s. Previously they had 4" M15s and maybe M10s. I have one of the retired M15s.
It seems the new Chief back then wanted a more intimidating visual presence by patrol officers. He instituted three changes as I recall: smaller patrol cars (economy), more SWAT-looking uniforms, and "big" 6" M28s. The first two continue to this day but the 6" revolvers didn't last long.
I heard of more than one left-handed officer who ruined the wooden grips of their issue M28 by slamming them in the driver side door of the smaller cars.
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I was there when we bought them. I was in charge of training and firearms training and some selection. We purchased them with target stocks, and used the Safariland basketweave leather, swivel holsters, and the rubber speedloaders. We used Speer Lawman 158 grain ammo, don't know who decided that. That stuff was hot. One of the range officers dubbed it, killed on one end and maimed on the other. After about 7 years, old chief got fired, new chief went to the range and couldn't stand the recoil. They went back to .38 Specials, I think. I had moved on by that time.
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.357 Mag Speer Lawman?
What kind of velocity did that produce? How hot was that compared to say modern available factory cartridgs or even Buffalo Bore.
A 6 inch barrel N. Frame with target grips is about as easy going on recoil as you can get with a .357 magnum. I love shooting magnums through mine
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I can't help on specifically the M28's , but I can speak of 6inch generally.
For many decades 4in and Fin were used concurently ,and more or less equal porportions. Remember , that in those days that swivel holsters very common , and with those , a 6in was little if any different to carry than a 4in . Remember in No Second Place Winner , Bill jordan felt the need to explain why he designed / used such a HIGH Riding holster.
It was in the 1960s that 4in became more common than 6in . But 6in were still used ( by at least some ) of my local County PD well into the '70s . Heck some of my co-workers in the '80s carried personally owned G inchers ( M686s and Securuty Sixes ) , and yes they were enthusiasts who shot them very well. At one point I did some comparisons , and figured out that the bottom of Bianchi #5 with 6in rode at same level as 4in in Don Hume BP , and briefly carried 6in DW thusly. Until the chrono showed that my 4in M65 was particularily "fast", and my DW was particularily "slow" , and the M65 actually gave slightly higher vels w/ Fed 125jhp .
But meanwhile , what really killed off 6in Duty Guns was the dearth of Level III holsters for 6in Guns.
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I think Kansas wildlife and parks carried them but that's not confirmed.
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I recall a segment of Tactical Impact (choose your weapon) on the Sportsman Channel where they were discussing the SLA shootout in Los Angeles back in 1974. They said the weapons available to police were 1) the M-1 Carbine, 2) the Remington 870 Police magnum, 3) S&W M-28 .357 Magnum with a 6 inch barrel.
Having said that, it kind of confused me because 1) I thought that invovled the LAPD and at the time they were ussed the S&W M15 .38 Special with a 4 inch barrel and 2) they were issued the Ithica Police Special 12 Gauge slug gun/shot gun, 3) they were using M-16s or AR-15s and AR-18s
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I remember that unfortunate TV episode.
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Ohio State Patrol carried 6 inch models. I am not sure how long they carried them, but I have a pre-28 that is stamped with the number 75 for Trumbull county. It dates to the mid-50s. I think it was stamped at the armory, but it is possible the factory did the job. Pretty neat wheel gun!
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I knew CHP and Long Beach CA PD motor cops that carried them. Can't say for certain that they were issued. But they were definitely 6 inch 28s. More than just a couple.
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Always figured that a 6" N frame could only help contribute to the commonality of chronic back problems experienced from life in a patrol car.
I speak from experience, and only ever carried 4" Colt Trooper, 4" M66 and a few steel framed autos later on.
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I was issued a mod 28 while with the MO-SHP in the early 1970's. We then went to the Mod 19 combat masterpiece. I still have both.
Only damage to the petrol car was to the steering wheel of the big Grand Marquis we drove. The hammer spur dug the h*** out of the wheel when getting out of the car. Bot the 28 and 19 are outstanding shooters.
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WA State Patrol is the only one I know of. San Francisco PD either issued or allowed 28's but with a 4'' barrel
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A few years before I came aboard, 1982, the Broward County Sheriff's Dept. down here in Fl carried 6" revolvers in cross draw holsters. They had made the switch to 4" and strong side carry a couple of years before I came here.
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As a member of the New Jersey Highway Patrol, I carried a 6" Model 10 in a JayPee swivel holster. Some of our members were issued 6" Colt Official Police revolvers. When the Highway Patrol was merged into the New Jersey State Police in 1979 (from which I retired in 1991), I continued to carry my Model 10 until we transitioned to our H&K P7M8 semi-automatics (except for the few months in between that we carried 4" stainless steel Ruger Security Sixes which, in a word, sucked compared to my Smith).
During the 70's, I carried a personally-owned 4" Model 28 Highway Patrolman while off-duty. Living at the Jersey Shore, an unbuttoned Hawaiian shirt over a t-shirt allowed me to carry concealed darn near anything I wanted. I preferred Bianchi holsters back in those days when John Bianchi still ran the outfit.
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Steve,
I recall the NJSP had a brief period (early to mid '70's) where they issued the S&W K-38 in 6".
I also recall that they had a problem with the holster they chose for the S&W, the snap closure kept opening up when it wasn't suppose to.
I had a neighbor who was a NJ Trooper. His issue gun was a Colt 6" OP right out of Sea Girt. When he transitioned into the HK P7M8 he had all kind of problems trying to qualify with it.
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Steve,
I recall the NJSP had a brief period (early to mid '70's) where they issued the S&W K-38 in 6".
I also recall that they had a problem with the holster they chose for the S&W, the snap closure kept opening up when it wasn't suppose to.
I had a neighbor who was a NJ Trooper. His issue gun was a Colt 6" OP right out of Sea Girt. When he transitioned into the HK P7M8 he had all kind of problems trying to qualify with it.
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I don't recall anyone having trouble qualifying with the P7M8. Anyone who couldn't qualify with that pistol with its short, light single-action trigger pull, probably shouldn't have been carrying any weapon at all.
The fact is, the P7M8 was almost unanimously approved of by the troopers who carried them.
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That was him.
His firearms skills left a lot to be desired and he admitted so.
Great guy though and a lot of fun to be around.
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That was him.
His firearms skills left a lot to be desired and he admitted so.
Great guy though and a lot of fun to be around.
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LOL As a firearms instructor, I may have qualified him a time or two!
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an unbuttoned Hawaiian shirt over a t-shirt allowed me to carry concealed darn near anything I wanted.
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Heck, that's all I wear these days anyway.
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Every day I watch eBay for old Bianchi holsters, 5BLs to be exact. As long as they have not been mistreated, they are as good as new and will outlive you.
Just watch out for verdigress, the spongy green stuff "growing" around metal parts (it is corrosion of the brass components in screws and grippers). It stains the leather. Once started can only be stopped by cleaning the parts with vinegar.
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Seriously?!!!
How gay. 6 inch guns used to be fairly common in .38 special back in the 30s and 40s
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Anne Arundel County, Maryland police carried 6" Colt OPs in the late '70s-early '80s.
I carried a 6 1/2" .44 Special (converted M27) for several years. My holster was the Safariland M29, a high rise, butt forward thumbbreak.
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Any CHP officers out there can correct me. But, was it 1983 when the CHP was allowed to transition from .38 Special to .357 mag.? I know they carried 6" stainless Rugers and 6" S&W Model 68s too. IIRC, it required a change in the state law to make the switch.
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Anne Arundel County, Maryland police carried 6" Colt OPs in the late '70s-early '80s.
I carried a 6 1/2" .44 Special (converted M27) for several years. My holster was the Safariland M29, a high rise, butt forward thumbbreak.
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Maryland State Police carried 6" O.P.s in the '60s.
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San Francisco PD carried both 4 and 6 inch Model 28's when it was found that some of their officers couldn't handle the Model 58 41 magnums. Motorcycle cops supposedly carried the 6 inchers. I had a 6 inch that was marked "S.F.P.D." on the frame underneath the cylinder on the left side.
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I was issued a very ugly M-28 4" in the academy(1980) which I traded in a short time later for a 6" Blue M-27. I was also given a M-19 2.5" for plainclothes work. We had 28's in both 4-6", the motorcycle cops (Solo's) were very very special when I came in and were issued stainless 6" M-66's supposedly to keep from rusting in our beautiful Mediterranean climate. Thing is- when it rained, most Solo's took cars.
I was summoned to our range on a couple of occasions by our range staff and asked if I wanted to trade my 27 for a 66. I kept that 27 in my safe well after we went though the Baretta stage and were saved when Sig came on board. I only turned it in when the department sent out a nasty gram regarding an investigation if I didn't turn it in. The stories that 27 could tell!!!
As to the M58's, that was a real man's gun- just before my time.
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The Nevada Highway Patrol issued Model 28s in both 4 and 6 inch. They replaced them it the late 80's or early 90's right after the California Highway Patrol went to the 4006 in .40 S&W.
I remember reading an artical where the head firearms instructor for the NHP said they carried the Model 28 so they could shoot through an engine block to stop a fleeing vehicle. I don't think he was the head firearms guy much longer.
I also saw the television show on the S.L.A./L.A.P.D, shootout. Typical television, some of the S.L.A. members were armed with M1 carbines modified to shoot full auto, and some Remington 870 shotguns, and handguns.
L.A.P.D. SWAT was issued K-38 or M-15 at the time, Ithaca Model 37 shotguns, Colt Ar-15s, and Armalite AR-180s. It was several years later before L.A.P.D. SWAT started issueing 1911 .45s to it's teams.
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I don't recall anyone having trouble qualifying with the P7M8. Anyone who couldn't qualify with that pistol with its short, light single-action trigger pull, probably shouldn't have been carrying any weapon at all.
The fact is, the P7M8 was almost unanimously approved of by the troopers who carried them.
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When I was an international cop in Kosovo, I worked with a German police LT who had been issued a HK squeeze cocker. When he went on leave for two weeks, rather than leave his pistol locked up at the station, I "volunteered" to clean it up for him. Of course, one of those weeks he was off, I was helping to qualify the other American police officers who were in mission.
When we weren't qualifying, we had access to unlimited 9mm ammo. I shot that P7 A LOT. It was a great shooting pistol. I shot numerous 100% scares with it. I liked it a lot better than my issued Beretta M92. Most of the other officers that shot it liked it too. I didn't find the bottom mag latch to be any handicap.
By the time my friend Martin returned from Germany, his pistol had been cleaned and was ready for him to carry.
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I was issued a mod 28 while with the MO-SHP in the early 1970's. We then went to the Mod 19 combat masterpiece. I still have both.
Only damage to the petrol car was to the steering wheel of the big Grand Marquis we drove. The hammer spur dug the h*** out of the wheel when getting out of the car. Bot the 28 and 19 are outstanding shooters.
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If "MO-SHP" stands for Missouri State Highway Patrol, that agency never issued the Model 28 Highway Patrolman in any barrel length. The last N frame issued by MSHP was the 5 inch Heavy Duty,* replaced beginning in 1952 with the 5 inch Combat Masterpiece. As additional troopers were hired after 1953 or so, the 4 inch Combat Masterpiece was added to existing stocks of 5 inch CMs. All of the CMs (both 4 and 5 inch) were traded for the 4 inch Model 66 in 1976.
*Col. Hugh H. Waggoner, Superintendent of the MSHP from about 1948 to 1965, carried the only Registered Magnum issued to any trooper, one of two sent to MSHP for testing before WWII.
Pictured is MSHP 5 inch Pre-15 Combat Masterpiece in swivel holster and leather by Dehner's of Omaha, the standard supplier to MSHP for decades. The holster is made of Dehcord, a product of Clarino, a division of Kuraray Company, Ltd. Kuraray America CLARINO - Products
Also pictured is the left side of an MSHP 5 inch Pre-15 Combat Masterpiece with MSHP shoulder patch and original cap badge from 1931, finished in gun metal. That type of hat badge was later replaced by a smaller version, still in use today.
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Holmdel, NJ PD carried the six inch Model 28 until they transitioned to the Beretta 92 in the early '90's. My own PD issued the 6" 686 when I came on in the late '80's. Now that was a duty gun!
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When I was an international cop in Kosovo, I worked with a German police LT who had been issued a HK squeeze cocker. When he went on leave for two weeks, rather than leave his pistol locked up at the station, I "volunteered" to clean it up for him. Of course, one of those weeks he was off, I was helping to qualify the other American police officers who were in mission.
When we weren't qualifying, we had access to unlimited 9mm ammo. I shot that P7 A LOT. It was a great shooting pistol. I shot numerous 100% scares with it. I liked it a lot better than my issued Beretta M92. Most of the other officers that shot it liked it too. I didn't find the bottom mag latch to be any handicap.
By the time my friend Martin returned from Germany, his pistol had been cleaned and was ready for him to carry.
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I dated a very nice young lady in 1977 that worked for the Kansas Department Of Wildlife and Game. A blue 4 inch Model 28 was her issued sidearm.
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02-27-2014, 11:30 PM
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Didn't the Adam 12 guys carry a 4" barrel and a 6" barreled revolvers in the patrol car? They weren't real officers but they holstered the 6" barrel in the car.
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12-07-2014, 05:54 AM
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Doug, Am able give you a short answer to your question based on the acquisition of my first 6" HP. During the mid to late 1960's/early 70's, my serious shooting sport of choice was Olympic style archery. While competing in So. Cal., I ran into an old (35+) CHP officer (Cal Highway Patrol for those of you who don't remember the TV Series) who was trying to sell his duty 6" Mdl 28- to raise cash for a new target bow. It was obvious the gun had been worked over by a competent gunsmith; in this case a CHP Armorer; the trigger was silky smooth which enabled my to make a fair chunk of change in Wy. shooting long distance against the local cowboys. Oh yea, I paid a C note for the gun, won way more than I paid and then traded it for my first .41 Mag; a 3-screw 6.5" SA.
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12-07-2014, 07:02 AM
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I knew CHP and Long Beach CA PD motor cops that carried them. Can't say for certain that they were issued. But they were definitely 6 inch 28s. More than just a couple.
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I have a M28-2, 6 in. The guy I bought it with claimed it came to him from a retired CHP office who used it as a duty gun.
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12-07-2014, 07:06 AM
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Quote:
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I knew CHP and Long Beach CA PD motor cops that carried them. Can't say for certain that they were issued. But they were definitely 6 inch 28s. More than just a couple.
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I have a M28-2, 6 in. The guy I bought it with claimed it came to him from a retired CHP office who used it as a duty gun.
The picture is the gun with Ahrend's grips I added.
It came to me with a Pachmayr Presentation grip. The Pachmayr had a neatly done cutout on the bottom of the grip so you could read the serial number on the gun's butt without removing the grip.
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12-07-2014, 01:41 PM
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The WSP issue leather was a clarino crossdraw rig. I've got one around somewhere, can't recall who made them. Not real comforable in the car, they could dig into your ribs pretty good! They did allow access to your gun while seated though....
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