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An early 629 engraved by Gino Cargnel...pic heavy
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Interesting gun,though I think that he could have been a bit more discreet with his name.
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What's the asking price? Just curious.
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I like it. Seems to add a special touch, nice to look at, and you can use it if necessary.
A view of mine. :-)
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Interesting gun,though I think that he could have been a bit more discreet with his name.
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Where is his name, Camster ? ? I couldn't find it with my one good eye........
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Where is his name, Camster ? ? I couldn't find it with my one good eye........
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3rd photo down inside the bottom opening just under the cylinder.
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3rd photo down inside the bottom opening just under the cylinder.
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Thanks Ray..........
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What's the asking price? Just curious.
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The gun is on consignment and they are standing firm at $4000
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Why? Not worth it.
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The value of that revolver will be determined by whatever a buyer is willing to pay for it. It matters nil what you or I think it's worth, or some forum pundit thinks it's worth. If it get's sold for $4,000. then THAT is what the revolver is "worth". The market value of a product......Economics 101
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that is one gaudy signature. must be extremely proud of his work,or the person who commissioned it or bought it wanted to make sure it was documented who engraved it. possibly for future value?
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If you like engraving it's a great job it's just never been my thing and yes the engravers name is a little large.
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Maybe it's just me, but I don't think the engraving is real high quality, nor the reliefs.
I'd say the price seems very high. It is interesting and unique, however.
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The value of that revolver will be determined by whatever a buyer is willing to pay for it. It matters nil what you or I think it's worth, or some forum pundit thinks it's worth. If it get's sold for $4,000. then THAT is what the revolver is "worth". The market value of a product......Economics 101
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Well,I don't like just any old engraved gun,but I like that one. Wouldn't be my model of choice if I had the bucks to have one done either. And yet,I don't think the asking price is outrageous. Hell,those ivory targets are worth around a grand by themselves and gold is pretty pricey too.
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Pricing out the gold inlay scene & additional gold work,,and adding in the value of the ivorys would nearly make the asking price of the gun should you ask most engravers today to do such a job.
I'm assuming 24k & relief figures.
Add to that the labor cost of the scroll engraving
..and perhaps the revolver itself if the job was done on 'spec'(ulation).
You may not like the looks of it, quality or style, choice of subject,,but just in terms of labor and materials, somewhere betw 3 & 4K would cover the gold work & grips.
You can undoubtedly find an engraver to do the whole job for less, there are many looking for work right now as things have slowed down some.
You can cut your labor charges to the bone,,but the hard facts of the price of gold and ivory won't change.
Worth it?,,as they say if someone buys it,,it is to them.
I don't think that necessarily establishes a market value though. People pay more for a non-eccential they like personally than perhaps others would.
Most art work falls into that catagory.
They like it and spend thousands,,you look at the same gun (painting, carving, jewelry, ect) and wouldn't spend a dime on it.
Add in some historical connection, name recognition to the gun/owner/engraver that people would pay for and values are easier to establish. Then you are getting a closer look at market value because the collectors/investors are in the buying pool.
When he did this job, gold was somewhere just under $400/oz.
(It actually fell quite a lot from there in the years afterwards,,just under $300 in the late 90's and early 2k)
That's not the price you buy your wire and plate for.
You pay the metalman/refiner a profit for the materials of course above the listed price of gold that day.
(When I started it had just topped $50/oz and because of that the switch was made to 14k from 24k to save money at a company I worked for.)
Some engravers make an additional profit for themselves on the cost of the gold/silver when they charge the customer. Then the labor cost (hours) for the gold inlay work is figured on top of that.
Gold is fluttering around the $1600/oz and up mark, world price.
You order some wire and/or plate from a refiner or supplier and it'll cost you $1800/oz and up if not more.
The signiture isn't much bigger than alot of those I've seen, though the trend is to make them smaller and more stylish.
Hiding them in the scroll work or game scene used to be the thing till you figured out no one could find them and you weren't getting credit for the work.
Many factory jobs have hidden signitures or marks only because the engravers were not supposed to mark them in the first place.
I know of at least one engraver that used to cut his signiture in script along with 'Engraved By' and then inlay it in gold on the customer's gun. Talk about garish.,,and this w/o asking the customer's permission.
Most want the work signed,,but they don't want it to light up in the dark or be able to be seen by passing motorists..
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Pricing out the gold inlay scene & additional gold work,,and adding in the value of the ivorys would nearly make the asking price of the gun should you ask most engravers today to do such a job.
I'm assuming 24k & relief figures.
Add to that the labor cost of the scroll engraving
..and perhaps the revolver itself if the job was done on 'spec'(ulation).
You may not like the looks of it, quality or style, choice of subject,,but just in terms of labor and materials, somewhere betw 3 & 4K would cover the gold work & grips.
You can undoubtedly find an engraver to do the whole job for less, there are many looking for work right now as things have slowed down some.
You can cut your labor charges to the bone,,but the hard facts of the price of gold and ivory won't change.
Worth it?,,as they say if someone buys it,,it is to them.
I don't think that necessarily establishes a market value though. People pay more for a non-eccential they like personally than perhaps others would.
Most art work falls into that catagory.
They like it and spend thousands,,you look at the same gun (painting, carving, jewelry, ect) and wouldn't spend a dime on it.
Add in some historical connection, name recognition to the gun/owner/engraver that people would pay for and values are easier to establish. Then you are getting a closer look at market value because the collectors/investors are in the buying pool.
When he did this job, gold was somewhere just under $400/oz.
(It actually fell quite a lot from there in the years afterwards,,just under $300 in the late 90's and early 2k)
That's not the price you buy your wire and plate for.
You pay the metalman/refiner a profit for the materials of course above the listed price of gold that day.
(When I started it had just topped $50/oz and because of that the switch was made to 14k from 24k to save money at a company I worked for.)
Some engravers make an additional profit for themselves on the cost of the gold/silver when they charge the customer. Then the labor cost (hours) for the gold inlay work is figured on top of that.
Gold is fluttering around the $1600/oz and up mark, world price.
You order some wire and/or plate from a refiner or supplier and it'll cost you $1800/oz and up if not more.
The signiture isn't much bigger than alot of those I've seen, though the trend is to make them smaller and more stylish.
Hiding them in the scroll work or game scene used to be the thing till you figured out no one could find them and you weren't getting credit for the work.
Many factory jobs have hidden signitures or marks only because the engravers were not supposed to mark them in the first place.
I know of at least one engraver that used to cut his signiture in script along with 'Engraved By' and then inlay it in gold on the customer's gun. Talk about garish.,,and this w/o asking the customer's permission.
Most want the work signed,,but they don't want it to light up in the dark or be able to be seen by passing motorists..
just some thoughts...
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This is an old post but I thought I'd add my 2 cents worth for free.
Gino Cargnel, now deceased, was a master engraver and did some very fine scenes in gold on various firearms, especially model 12/42s because of the large flat areas available for engraving. His work is very fine.
Personally, I am very sorry this post is 3 years old. I would and will pay $4000 for that Smith in a heartbeat. Most of those who are denigrating it don't understand the quality of his work. If you don't like engraving, that's fine, but ignorance never seems to slow some people down.
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