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Old 05-07-2012, 10:29 PM
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My Model 19-3 (which has been shot very very little) is doing something I just noticed tonight (I have only owned it for less than 2 weeks).

If I slowly pull the trigger in double action, I can hear a click and the trigger stops at the very beginning of the pull, I can see the cylinder stop moving slightly as well. It's kind of like take up on my 1911, that little spot when you first pull the slack out of the trigger parts.

It is kind of annoying as I can sometimes feel it even when pulling the trigger faster in double action mode. It's like a bump in the road when pulling the trigger.

Is this normal? Or do I have a worn part somewhere? I have been dry firing a lot and it seems to just have started but I can't be sure it wasn't always there.
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Old 05-07-2012, 11:45 PM
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From your description it sounds like the contact between the trigger and the cylinder stop -- a motion that lowers the cylinder stop, freeing the cylinder to rotate.

Gentle stoning of the contacts points can smooth this, but there will always be a measure of felt resistance.

If you aren't familiar with working on the internals, strongly suggest you do plenty of research before taking a stone to them, or go to a reputable gunsmith.
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Old 05-08-2012, 06:23 AM
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From your description it sounds like the contact between the trigger and the cylinder stop...
Yes exactly! Should you feel a click when the two first contact at the very beginning of the trigger pull? I am searching for some diagrams so I can better visualize what is happening.

And no.... I won't be stoning anything... I think I would feel comfortable removing the side plate and internals as I have watched videos and read take aparts and am mechanically inclined but that's it.

Thanks...
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OK... I think I may be over obsessing about this non-issue. I squirted some oil into the cylinder stop and worked the trigger a little... now the solid "click-stop" is more like just smooth slack take up.

As a point of reference... the slack I am taking about can be seen/detected with the cylinder open. If you pull the trigger gently with the cylinder open the cylinder stop moves a little and you can feel the slack.

Maybe if I keep working the trigger maybe it will smooth out.
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Old 05-08-2012, 09:07 AM
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Should you feel a click when the two first contact at the very beginning of the trigger pull?
Yes, there's a gentle click.

When unfired, the trigger rests enmeshed with the cylinder stop, like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. There's a lip on the front of the trigger called the "trigger hook" that sits within the cylinder stop "slot" (empty space), just above the cylinder stop "bevel and point".

S&W lockwork.

When the trigger is engaged, the trigger hook is brought down and into contact with the cylinder stop point. This contact and downward motion drops the cylinder stop "ball" (the little hump that protrudes through the frame and locks the cylinder in place), briefly freeing the cylinder to rotate.

Once the trigger hook has cleared the cylinder stop bevel and point, the cylinder stop pops back up (spring loaded), and the cylinder stop ball comes back up through the hole in the frame, knocking against the rotating cylinder and dragging there until the next cylinder slot comes around and the cylinder stop ball locks into place with it.

The click you're hearing on initial trigger pull could be either the trigger contacting the cylinder stop, or the cylinder stop popping back up and into the cylinder, or both (they happen almost simultaneously under normal pull).

Since you're comfortable opening the plate, suggest you do so and cycle the trigger slowly many times, watching how the lockwork interacts. It's interesting and very informative.
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Thanks Hapworth! Yes this is all very interesting stuff! I did this when I got my first 1911, broke it down and learned exactly what is happening when the trigger is pulled.

I worked as a mechanic for many years and love mechanical things and need to know how stuff works!

My first gun some 30 years ago was a Model 19 and I have wanted one again ever since, and I finally got it. I have a Ruger SP101 as well and while it's a nice gun it can't compare to my 1971 Model 19-3!!

(Funny.. I found that exact same pic you linked when looking for the revolver internals pic)

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