model 15-3 2 inch fake? Now what?

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in my haste to finally get a model 15 snubby, i think I learned an expensive lesson. I got what I thought was a good deal on a 15-3 2inch. Upon further examination, I believe its a 4 inch that has had a 2 inch barrel installed. Look at the pics and you can see where the barrel edges have been rounded off and the top strap looks like my mod 15 4 inch. Also, the forcing cone in not straight and the extractor rod looks different than picture I have found on line. Is this revolver safe to shoot, or do i have an expensive paperweight? I really wanted a "real" 2 inch one. I guess its off to a gun smith for a saftey check and then I will decide what to do with it then Any advice would be approeciated. Cant take it back, gun show find from a few weeks back. I own it. Guess if its safe I have a "shooter" 2 inch. NOT what I wanted. Stupid me. Expensive lesson....
 

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fake 15-3 part 2

It just got worse...looks like it may also have been converted to fire .357 magnums! the cylinder is slightly longer than on my 4 inch mod 15 but exactly the same size as the cylidner on my model 19 !!! Same widow size as the 19 too! Could some one have put a 2 in barrell on it and a 357 cylynder? Catalogue of S&W dates the S/N to 1975.....
 
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What'd you pay for it? If you got a good deal on it, at the very least, you got a shooter
 
Look on the bright side....the grips are worth $30 or so.

If you want rid of it, you could do what many gunbroker sellers would do and list it on there as a "Rare Smith and Wesson one of a kind custom model 15-3 concealed carry special snubnose revolver converted to .357 magnum"

OR

"Super rare Smith and Wesson 19-3 snubnose .357 magnum revolver incorrectly marked as a model 15-3"

Seriously though....if the gun's safe to shoot and you're not into it too deep then just shoot it and enjoy it for what it is.
 
I think that may be a legitimate 2" 15-3 into which somebody mounted a Model 19 cylinder after filing down the breech end of the barrel so it would fit. Note that the foot of the rear sight comes all the way to the front of the frame. That is standard design for the snubnose CMs, as the front face of the rear sight foot exactly abuts the rear edge of the ramp of the base into which the front sight is pinned.

The heavy rib on the barrel has certainly been filed, but the frame has been bevel- filed as well. I think that may have been just an attempt to lighten the gun by shaving another ounce of steel off it.

I don't know if the 15-3 yoke would take a longer cylinder without modification. Maybe the yoke and cylinder assembly from a 19 were installed together, in which case the length of the ejector rod would have to have been adjusted. Or maybe the ejector rod from the 15 could be used without modification. I don't know, and I am just speculating.

In any case, it is an unfortunate experiment. It feels to me as though bubba the gunsmith was trying to make a snubnose .357 with a barrel shorter than the standard 2.5" of the short M19. He also wanted it to be a little lighter. After the modifications, the geometry of the forcing cone would not be identical to what one gets in the factory M19. I would be hesitant to shoot magnum loads in this, and I'm not sure that .38 Special loads would as accurate as they would be from an unmodified M15.

I think this has potential as a parts gun, but I think you should continue to search for the original snubnose CM that you want. Selling off the action pieces and stocks of this gun would probably pay for much of the one you want. I would discard the barrel, which as I see it cannot be saved. The frame might be useless, but if the top front of the frame can be carefully milled and the sight foot reconfigured, perhaps it could be mated to a tapered barrel in case someone wanted a light-barrel target revolver.

ADDENDUM: On further thought, I think I am wrong about this being an original two-inch 15-3. As I look at the photos this morning, I can see what I could not see yesterday -- that there is a milled contour at the top front of the frame of the sort one associates with K-38 Masterpieces with longer barrels. That means I am probably wrong about the rear sight foot, but since I don't have a 15-3 to inspect, I can't be sure. I still think the barrel is a lost cause, and that there is some salvage value in the parts. I think the frame might have utility to a special project if somebody wanted to deal with improving the damaged frame contours behind the barrel.

I don't think I would shoot this gun. I agree with Model520Fan (below) it looks as though the front locking pin does not engage the end of the ejector rod, so there is no second-point support for the closed cylinder.
 
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Is that a model 10 barrel? The ramp down to the frame on the front sight being for a fixed sight model?
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Thanks to all for their responses. You guys got me hooked on the Smiths a few years back and I have been able to avoid any "stupid" purchases due to a lot og what i have read here. This whole incident reminds me of a thread that was up a while back about which gun you regretting buy the most. Well I didn't have one till now.

Ater taking it to my LGS for an "examination" we (4 of us) pretty much concluded that it is a franken gun. More than likely as DC Wilson stated a 4 inch mod 15 that was "converted" by bubba int a 2 inch.

Strangely enough, the barrell actually measures correctly in length. It will not chamber .357's, so at least I figure the frame probably has not been stressed too much, unless they really torqued it down when installing the barrell.

Looks like the forcing cone has a little gap at the bottom probably from the barrell fitting after install. Extractor rod not original for sure. It appears to lock when cylinder is shut.

Then to make matters worse. they filed down the barrell and the frame to some extent either to correct marks possibly made by a vise grip putting it back together. Barrell seems snug and the pin is in place.


The verdict?
I was advised to try 1 round thru it and see how it reacts. Not sure how I am feeling about that...

I guess I'm more concerned of the quality of the work and whether or not this would be a save shooter. (and feeling like an idiot for even getting it!!!)

Might make this a wall hanger to look at every time a I see the "one I am looking for" at a good price.

STCM (SW) or anyone else interested in a "parts gun?" PM me.

Once again, thanks for all the responses.
 
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