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John,
I've seen this picture before with the same assertion that Jelly Bryce is to Jordan's right. Do you have positive attribution to establish that that is Jelly? I don't think it is, FWIW.
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You are correct. Definitely not Delf “Jelly” Bryce.
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I'm all in for Bill Jordan. My Dad had a Model 19 he let me shoot, so I had
to have one too. Mine, shown below, is a 19-4 I bought new, I think it was
around 1977. I also put Herrett's Jordan Trooper stocks on it. About 20
years ago I sent it back to S&W for a tune up and had them put on the
Mcgivern gold bead front sight.
Early on in Bill Jordan's Border Patrol career, he wasn't totally happy with
the holster designed by Askins and Myres, shown 2nd from left. So he
designed his own, and had his design made by an
old German saddle maker in Alpine Texas, C. H. Werner.
About that time he went island hopping across the Pacific as a Marine in
WWII. By the time he got back his holster looked like it had been through
a war, so he stopped in to Myres shop in ElPaso and had a new one made.
Shown 3rd from left.
Before long, it was the most popular holster in law enforcement. Every
officer wanted a holster "just like Bill Jordans". The unpleasantness in
Korea came along about that time, and Bill was still a Marine reserve so
he was called to duty.
By the time Bill got back from Korea, Sam Myres had passed away. Every
holster maker was making a rendition of Bill's holster, and some of them
were not so hot, so Bill got a Trademark to protect his name, and gave
the exclusive right to use it to Don Hume. The Hume Jordan holster is
4th from left.
Later, Hume updated the Jordan Border Patrol holster with a thumb break,
as show 5th from left.
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If that's a M19 in his hand on the cover, then he has some MASSIVE paws!
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A quarter in his hands looked like a nickel in mine.
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Who wishes he could find that picture on line.
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My only contact with Bill Jordan was his magazine articles, and later his book, "No Second Place Winner." I was always of the opinion that the "feud" between he and Skeeter Skelton was two friends ribbing each other.
I ordered a copy of "Hell I was There" off Ebay a few years back. The seller said something like "Someone he hunted and camped with wrote in it." I figured there were notes in the margins or something like that. The book was cheap, so I ordered it anyway.
Turned out that Bill Jordan had autographed it for some previous owner.
This one never gets sold as long as I'm still around.
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BREAKING NEWS: Sudden string of attempted burglaries at residence in N. Chesterfield, VA...
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Whaaat ... You don't say. Who woulda' thought ?
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I was posted to El Centro when he was ACPI. Folks don't mention (or know) his "dry fire " practice that went thru a wall and hit a colleague in the head. Three other close friends blasted a wall. a mirror and a pair of binoculars. Issued Colt New Service 38s, Colt Border Patrol 38s and in 1968 a Combat Masterpiece.
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His Handgunner column was always the first thing I turned to when the new G&A showed up in the mailbox.
Got my copy of No Second Place Winner about 1980. Most considered it dated even then, but I learned a lot. I bought a used 58 and ordered a pair of Pachy Jordan grips. I still have them but never fired a shot with them. I have big hands, but not nearly that big!
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"eyes change to gunfighter aggressive" Okay I'll ask, what does that mean
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big frame smiths;
I like them !
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Kevin:
As I understand it, they were good friends. They traded playful barbs like that quite a bit, including in print in Shooting Times.
Skelton told the story of being at some gathering with Jordan which resulted in some impromptu target practice. According to Skelton, Jordan tried Skelton's Model 19, on which Skelton had worked over the action.
Skelton said Jordan liked it so much he switched grips, holstered Skelton's Model 19 and said, "When you get the action on mine as smooth as yours, we'll trade back."
According to Skelton, he was on Patrol a few nights later when he had to shoot at a "contrabandista"* from quite a distance in the dark. He later found the gent's hat with a bullet hole through the top and said that "Jordan's damned old gun shot high."
Now, whether this happened, or whether it was one of Skelton's yarns is not known to me, but it was a good story nonetheless.
In any event, I believe Jordan and Skeeter were friends, and I thought I remembered seeing some pictures of them together on hunts and so forth.
Best regards,
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I remember reading this story years ago.
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Yes, the Jordan-Skelton exchanges were meant to stir up reader interest, add some humor. I remember articles where Jordan and Askins "debated" the merits of the revolver vs. the semiauto for defense, Jordan pointed out that in his gun fighting days Charlie used revolvers.
I find it interesting that Jordan preferred the K frame to the N frame, I note that about the same time S&W introduced the Combat Magnum they introduced the Highway Patrolman.
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Askins used to call Jordan the guy who wrote a book about gunfighting without ever being in a gunfight. As noted above, he did kill his boss showing off his quick draw skills with his new Combat Magnum.
It was definitely a different world then. Now days he’d be fired at the very least, and most likely prosecuted.
That said, if I had to knock back a few with either Askins or Jordan, I’d take Jordan.
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Askins used to call Jordan the guy who wrote a book about gunfighting without ever being in a gunfight. As noted above, he did kill his boss showing off his quick draw skills with his new Combat Magnum.
It was definitely a different world then. Now days he’d be fired at the very least, and most likely prosecuted.
That said, if I had to knock back a few with either Askins or Jordan, I’d take Jordan.
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If doing so would make Charlie angry, I'd drink with him instead! I wouldn't want Charlie Askins mad at me!!!
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The early Highway Patrolman revolvers were completed in April 1954. But it is interesting the first .357 Combat Magnum and the first 44 Magnum were completed on the same day, December 15, 1955.
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The early Highway Patrolman revolvers were completed in April 1954. But it is interesting the first .357 Combat Magnum and the first 44 Magnum were completed on the same day, December 15, 1955.
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Interesting, and it makes a lot of sense when you think about it for a minute.
The HP was based on a revolver already in production with the same frame and caliber, so how much development / testing would have been required? Little or none, I would guess.
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Interestingly while the 44 Magnum was introduced with a 6.5" barrel on a 5 screw frame the Combat Magnum was introduced with a four inch barrel and the new 4 screw frame.
Another interesting comparison is that while the four inch 44 Magnum was introduced in late 1956 the 6" Combat Magnum wasn't offered until the early 1960's.
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I just got my first copy in the mail today. Looking forward to reading it soon.
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No Second Place Winner
So this thread taught me I need a copy of No Second Place Winner for my collection. I started to bid on a paperback copy on ebay, when my wife said get the hard cover if you want it as a collectable, she's more bookie than me and promptly found it cheaper used on that rotten amazon. Anyhow it looks like she pulled a signed copy out of thin air for me.
Milton Henriquez should know his copy is well respected and in a good home.
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Nice find! From reading this thread I was starting to think every book was signed. Every copy but mine perhaps!
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Interesting. I read somewhere that generic autographs in a book will be worth more in the future, because they are NOT penned to a specific person. However, if the specific person is a celebrity, of course, the autograph would certainly be worth more.
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Interesting. I read somewhere that generic autographs in a book will be worth more in the future, because they are NOT penned to a specific person. However, if the specific person is a celebrity, of course, the autograph would certainly be worth more.
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I just checked my copy and it is signed "With best wishes Bill Jordan".
However, it is signed on the BACK page, upside down.
Does that make it worth more? 
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