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Does it exist? J frame, 2-3", DA, no lock, steel, 38+P not .357?
I'd be interested in finding the following and wonder if S&W ever made one. If so could you provide a model number and dash number if applicable?
J frame
steel frame and cylinder
no lock
3-inch or shorter barrel
double action only (or shrouded/humpback DA/SA)
38 special rated +P (but specifically not 357 mag)
No grip frame safety
Would this be a model 49? Are there others?
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Early model 60, if im not mistaken. Youd have to bob the hammer though.
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The first generation 640s and 649s were DAO and 38 special. Not sure if they were officially rated +P, but being all stainless steel they would work with limited +P use.
There were model 40s which were similar, but blue steel.
Also, 649 and 49 in the early days were not 357 magnum. These were the shrouded versions with accessible hammers.
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A true Model 60-2 NY-1
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The models 40 and 49 stopped production before S & W gave the official blessing for +P .38 Special.
The 640 and the 649 (without a dash, in .38 Special; the -1s and later were all .357s) of the same era...you'll probably get different answers from factory customer service, depending on the person. Early 640s were engraved "Tested for +P+", and the 649 of the same era was built to the same specs, but the official answer these days would probably be no +P. The consensus is they are fine for at least limited +P, as Cal44 mentioned.
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Exactly what im looking for!
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Sounds a lot like a Model 640 to me...
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I've carried an early 640 etched "TESTED FOR +P+" for around seventeen years. Splendid DAO carry gun. Two-inch barrel.
Any 640 will handle +P ammo all day, but most people prefer to practice with standard pressure and carry the +P. You won't harm the gun with +P unless it shoots a little loose after many hundreds of rounds.
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I have shot +P 158 grain lead semi-wadcutter ammunition in my mid-1980s Model 649 in .38 Special for familiarization and sight verification and that is what it is loaded with for carry use.
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The 60-7 was the last mod 60 38 spl built on the old size J frame and
was rated for +P ammo due to internal upgrades. I bobbed the
hammer on mine so there's no worry about snagging it. It's easy to do
unless you're all thumbs in which case let someone do it who isn't.
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"...specifically not 357 mag..."
I wonder, why eliminate the .357 J-frames from consideration?
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"...specifically not 357 mag..."
I wonder, why eliminate the .357 J-frames from consideration?
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Normally I might prefer a .357 frame because I like the added durability, but I like the idea of a frame tuned specifically for .38 spl, a caliber I really enjoy. For me fewer choices means fewer decisions to make, less mental burden and greater enjoyment. Then there's the crud ring thing, but I know that's highly debatable. I just like to keep it simple.
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03-15-2016, 08:56 PM
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The first generation 640s and 649s were DAO and 38 special
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I'm not understanding the first gen 649 being DAO. Wasn't the 649, even no dash, a SA/DA (shrouded hammer)?
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Correct, the 649 was SA/DA.
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Another vote for the 640.
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SC_Mike, that's a beautiful looking 640 hiding in the holster. I've always loved the 640 for its function and clean form.
I think I found me a 49 no dash. More details within a week or two.
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