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M58 with adjustable sights?
While I'm thinking about it, has anyone ever seen this? Couldn't you just drill it out and add a rear sight? 6523774_03_smith_wesson_41_magnum_mod_58__640.jpg
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It would take some machine work (milling out the top of the frame) to accomplish that, but it is possible.
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Peachhead:
I cannot see the image of what you posted clearly, but if you are asking if adjustable sights can be added to the fixed sighted Model 58, the answer is "yes" - as noted by SAFireman, or you could just add a "Wondersight":
http://www.hollowpointmold.com/wondersight/
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Or you could sell a model 58 and buy a model 57 with factory adj sights. Buying the same condition gun, you could probably put some money in your pocket.
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The firearm pictured not only has had machine work performed to install the rear sight, but the front sight has also been milled off and replaced with a taller sight mounted on a pinned ramp.
Also the factory original grips have been replaced with target stocks.
Parts and labor to do the pictured conversion to a bone stock model 58 would be several hundred dollars at the very least.
While I try to never discourage folks on how they spend their firearms money, on this one I do not see the point. With the possible exception of sentimental value attached to the original revolver
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The firearm pictured not only has had machine work performed to install the rear sight, but the front sight has also been milled off and replaced with a taller sight mounted on a pinned ramp.
Also the factory original grips have been replaced with target stocks.
Parts and labor to do the pictured conversion to a bone stock model 58 would be several hundred dollars at the very least.
While I try to never discourage folks on how they spend their firearms money, on this one I do not see the point. With the possible exception of sentimental value attached to the original revolver
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I was wondering about the front site also. Thank you. No, I have no desire to do it, I just came across this and wondered why they just didn't get a 57.
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Another possible reason is that they live in a very unfriendly state, and it was easier and cheaper just to make up the gun you want than to try to search and then get approval to buy it.
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You have to figure that when the 58 was just another PD trade, they were probably cheap enough and available enough that it was economically feasible to do this. 57's didnt' grow on trees back in the day, and before the internet whatever you physically ran across was what you had as source material.
I don't think it would make a lick of sense to do it now. You can find a 57 easier than a 58 these days and the price difference isn't much, if any. Back forty of fifty years ago? Different story, and relatively common on fixed sight guns.
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Is it still a .41?
They were popular for caliber conversions in the era Ross describes.
Is it a Model 58 frame? .41 parts have been put on other N frames.
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If you have a milling machine and nice sharp cutters and a good dwg,
no problem. Ten minute job, no not by a stretch. I have done them , many years ago.
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Is it still a .41?
They were popular for caliber conversions in the era Ross describes.
Is it a Model 58 frame? .41 parts have been put on other N frames.
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Supposedly yes it still is 41.
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You have to figure that when the 58 was just another PD trade, they were probably cheap enough and available enough that it was economically feasible to do this. 57's didnt' grow on trees back in the day, and before the internet whatever you physically ran across was what you had as source material.
I don't think it would make a lick of sense to do it now. You can find a 57 easier than a 58 these days and the price difference isn't much, if any. Back forty of fifty years ago? Different story, and relatively common on fixed sight guns.
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Good point as they were the "budget" line.
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The gun is on ARMSLIST and the seller wants full retail for it, as if it were unmolested. It is highly molested and is either a shooter or a parts gun. Either way it would have to be a good deal. This gun is not a collector's item.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by colt_saa
The firearm pictured not only has had machine work performed to install the rear sight, but the front sight has also been milled off and replaced with a taller sight mounted on a pinned ramp.
Also the factory original grips have been replaced with target stocks.
Parts and labor to do the pictured conversion to a bone stock model 58 would be several hundred dollars at the very least.
While I try to never discourage folks on how they spend their firearms money, on this one I do not see the point. With the possible exception of sentimental value attached to the original revolver
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Not sure I agree with this 100%, the M58 -afterall - has a pinned in front sight, no milling involved on the barrel. One could simply add the ramp base and sight to an existing M58 barrel, the rest of the work would be installing the adjustable rear, not much of a problem.....
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........ This gun is not a collector's item.
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Certainly true....
Out of curiosity, how much is full retail?
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Quote:
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The gun is on ARMSLIST and the seller wants full retail for it, as if it were unmolested. It is highly molested and is either a shooter or a parts gun. Either way it would have to be a good deal. This gun is not a collector's item.
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When I saw it I was looking for 57s. It was interesting because of the sights, but I didn't think it was cheap enough not being original. For that money I can get a 57.
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I've been sorta thinking about going the other way; putting a 4" M57 barrel on my M58, and installing a shorter front sight. Sort of going with the HD look, but with heavy bbl. instead of tapered. Probably somewhat less work, no?
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Quote:
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Not sure I agree with this 100%, the M58 -afterall - has a pinned in front sight, no milling involved on the barrel. One could simply add the ramp base and sight to an existing M58 barrel, the rest of the work would be installing the adjustable rear, not much of a problem.....
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Thanks for the correction
My 58 is several hundred miles away at the moment and with my fading memory (had not really handled it in 10 years) I thought it was an integral front sight
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Certainly true....
Out of curiosity, how much is full retail?
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The seller, in Tacoma Washington, is asking $829 for this gun. His description reads "EARLY MODEL 58 SERIAL #S295*** ALL ORIGINAL EXCELLENT CONDITION".
Assuming the seller was simply misinformed, I sent him a note correcting his error. A week later nothing has changed and there was no reply.
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Not sure if it still there but one just like this was recently listed on GunBroker... Seller really believed it was a rare factory original gun...think it was priced well over a grand...
lebbom... Have seen a couple of 58s with 57s barrels... I think there is a member here who has 58 converted to .44 Magnum or .45 Colt with a longer 5-6" barrel.
A conversion I have thought about is taking a shooter grade .38-44 Heavy Duty and have it rebored/rechambered for .41 Special. Think there is one like it on the Bowen website...
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I was wondering about the front site also. Thank you. No, I have no desire to do it, I just came across this and wondered why they just didn't get a 57.
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I was issued a 58 in 1972. Wanted a 57 badly so I contacted the company that sold guns to the dept to order one. I was told due to the "Dirty Harry" movie 44's were unobtainable as all sold out with lengthy waiting list. And that 57s were in same boat as individuals would reborn the 57s in an attempt to $.
I sumise this was an upgrade to a 58 by someone who couldn't wait in line for the 57.
I changed depts and unfortunately sold the 58.
"I was young and needed the money"
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If anyone is interested , Dave Clements will change to 41 spl either a L-frame smith and wesson or a Ruger GP-100 . The ruger was slightly cheaper , cost about $600 , or a bit less . Conversion takes about a yr . The slow part (time wise) is getting the barrel bored out . He told me he actually prefers converting the ruger . Felt it was a stronger frame, much more longevity . We conversed a while back about doing this . I have a 686 , decided to leave it a 357 .
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